Who Is (And Isn't) The Great Being?

[bleedingshadows94]

Anyone ever notice how "time will tell" is so weird? Time cannot speak. It is relative. And whenever relatives come over, you go into your room and DO NOT SPEAK.~Tobi

[minininjatoa]

What about Mavrah? He was (spoiler alert) supposedly killed in Voyage of Fear but recently popped up again in The Powers that Be. He hasn't had his memory erased and has technically left the MU.

[The Captain]

Is it safe to say that since Greg has been AWOL for over 8 months, we're never going to find out?

Edited April 8, 2012 by The Captain

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Yes. The idea that he's going to miraculously return one day and post another chapter is a little ridiculous.

[Dralcax]

I think it's safe to say...

As soon as the social media issues are fixed regarding Greg's community inactivity, we should send him this first thing.Interesting how we went from:"Dweller? Krakua? Kapura? Helryx? TSO? Miserix?"to:"Hydraxon? Krakua? Dume?"to:"Velika? Could it be Hydraxon? No, but... Yes, but... Velika?"to:"Yes! Definitely Velika! We have a winner!" Edited April 8, 2012 by Chaos Dralcax

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Man, I hope Velika is the Great Being. It would stink if some character from BIONICLE's early days turned out to be the GB.

[bleedingshadows94]

I think it's safe to say...

As soon as the social media issues are fixed regarding Greg's community inactivity, we should send him this first thing.Interesting how we went from:"Dweller? Krakua? Kapura? Helryx? TSO? Miserix?"to:"Hydraxon? Krakua? Dume?"to:"Velika? Could it be Hydraxon? No, but... Yes, but... Velika?"to:"Yes! Definitely Velika! We have a winner!"

Of course. Speculation was on a grand scale, but luckily, we used SCIENCE!~Tobi

[Ice the Great]

I think it's safe to say...http://i969.photobuc...rnum/Velika.jpg

As soon as the social media issues are fixed regarding Greg's community inactivity, we should send him this first thing.Interesting how we went from:"Dweller? Krakua? Kapura? Helryx? TSO? Miserix?"to:"Hydraxon? Krakua? Dume?"to:"Velika? Could it be Hydraxon? No, but... Yes, but... Velika?"to:"Yes! Definitely Velika! We have a winner!"

Of course. Speculation was on a grand scale, but luckily, we used SCIENCE!~Tobi

The science of someone finding out that his name practically shouted "Great Being" if you saw what it actually meant? YEP!

[bleedingshadows94]

I think it's safe to say...http://i969.photobuc...rnum/Velika.jpg

As soon as the social media issues are fixed regarding Greg's community inactivity, we should send him this first thing.Interesting how we went from:"Dweller? Krakua? Kapura? Helryx? TSO? Miserix?"to:"Hydraxon? Krakua? Dume?"to:"Velika? Could it be Hydraxon? No, but... Yes, but... Velika?"to:"Yes! Definitely Velika! We have a winner!"

Of course. Speculation was on a grand scale, but luckily, we used SCIENCE!~Tobi

The science of someone finding out that his name practically shouted "Great Being" if you saw what it actually meant? YEP!

Cave Johnson would be very proud.~Tobi

[Ice the Great]

I think it's safe to say...http://i969.photobuc...rnum/Velika.jpg

As soon as the social media issues are fixed regarding Greg's community inactivity, we should send him this first thing.Interesting how we went from:"Dweller? Krakua? Kapura? Helryx? TSO? Miserix?"to:"Hydraxon? Krakua? Dume?"to:"Velika? Could it be Hydraxon? No, but... Yes, but... Velika?"to:"Yes! Definitely Velika! We have a winner!"

Of course. Speculation was on a grand scale, but luckily, we used SCIENCE!~Tobi

The science of someone finding out that his name practically shouted "Great Being" if you saw what it actually meant? YEP!

Cave Johnson would be very proud.~Tobi

No, Cave Johnson would be proud if the Great Being was killing his victims with his flammable lemons. Or kidnapping people and forcing them to practically commit suicide for science. No, Cave Johnson would only be mildly impressed, sorry.

[bleedingshadows94]

I think it's safe to say...http://i969.photobuc...rnum/Velika.jpg

As soon as the social media issues are fixed regarding Greg's community inactivity, we should send him this first thing.Interesting how we went from:"Dweller? Krakua? Kapura? Helryx? TSO? Miserix?"to:"Hydraxon? Krakua? Dume?"to:"Velika? Could it be Hydraxon? No, but... Yes, but... Velika?"to:"Yes! Definitely Velika! We have a winner!"

Of course. Speculation was on a grand scale, but luckily, we used SCIENCE!~Tobi

The science of someone finding out that his name practically shouted "Great Being" if you saw what it actually meant? YEP!

Cave Johnson would be very proud.~Tobi

No, Cave Johnson would be proud if the Great Being was killing his victims with his flammable lemons. Or kidnapping people and forcing them to practically commit suicide for science. No, Cave Johnson would only be mildly impressed, sorry.

True. He would be impressed with our use of science, however! Just... not completely. He would prefer it if the GB was controlling an army of mantis men!~Tobi

[Toa of Gallifrey]

Oh my gosh! It must be Velika! Let's hope we get a confirmation. :/

[Ice the Great]

I think it's safe to say...http://i969.photobuc...rnum/Velika.jpg

As soon as the social media issues are fixed regarding Greg's community inactivity, we should send him this first thing.Interesting how we went from:"Dweller? Krakua? Kapura? Helryx? TSO? Miserix?"to:"Hydraxon? Krakua? Dume?"to:"Velika? Could it be Hydraxon? No, but... Yes, but... Velika?"to:"Yes! Definitely Velika! We have a winner!"

Of course. Speculation was on a grand scale, but luckily, we used SCIENCE!~Tobi

The science of someone finding out that his name practically shouted "Great Being" if you saw what it actually meant? YEP!

Cave Johnson would be very proud.~Tobi

No, Cave Johnson would be proud if the Great Being was killing his victims with his flammable lemons. Or kidnapping people and forcing them to practically commit suicide for science. No, Cave Johnson would only be mildly impressed, sorry.

True. He would be impressed with our use of science, however! Just... not completely. He would prefer it if the GB was controlling an army of mantis men!~Tobi

Or using trace amounts of time travel. Hopefully, GB will know not to make eye contact with himself... Lab boys tell me that'll wipe out time - entirely. Forward and backward.

[bleedingshadows94]

I think it's safe to say...http://i969.photobuc...rnum/Velika.jpg

As soon as the social media issues are fixed regarding Greg's community inactivity, we should send him this first thing.Interesting how we went from:"Dweller? Krakua? Kapura? Helryx? TSO? Miserix?"to:"Hydraxon? Krakua? Dume?"to:"Velika? Could it be Hydraxon? No, but... Yes, but... Velika?"to:"Yes! Definitely Velika! We have a winner!"

Of course. Speculation was on a grand scale, but luckily, we used SCIENCE!~Tobi

The science of someone finding out that his name practically shouted "Great Being" if you saw what it actually meant? YEP!

Cave Johnson would be very proud.~Tobi

No, Cave Johnson would be proud if the Great Being was killing his victims with his flammable lemons. Or kidnapping people and forcing them to practically commit suicide for science. No, Cave Johnson would only be mildly impressed, sorry.

True. He would be impressed with our use of science, however! Just... not completely. He would prefer it if the GB was controlling an army of mantis men!~Tobi

Or using trace amounts of time travel. Hopefully, GB will know not to make eye contact with himself... Lab boys tell me that'll wipe out time - entirely. Forward and backward.

And of course, on Voya Nui, they couldn't afford $8 worth of moon rocks, let alone $8 Billion, but the GB bought 'em anyway! Ground 'em up and turned 'em into a gel. And guess what?! Moon rocks are pure poison! He is now deathly ill...~Tobi

[Ice the Great]

I think it's safe to say...http://i969.photobuc...rnum/Velika.jpg

As soon as the social media issues are fixed regarding Greg's community inactivity, we should send him this first thing.Interesting how we went from:"Dweller? Krakua? Kapura? Helryx? TSO? Miserix?"to:"Hydraxon? Krakua? Dume?"to:"Velika? Could it be Hydraxon? No, but... Yes, but... Velika?"to:"Yes! Definitely Velika! We have a winner!"

Of course. Speculation was on a grand scale, but luckily, we used SCIENCE!~Tobi

The science of someone finding out that his name practically shouted "Great Being" if you saw what it actually meant? YEP!

Cave Johnson would be very proud.~Tobi

No, Cave Johnson would be proud if the Great Being was killing his victims with his flammable lemons. Or kidnapping people and forcing them to practically commit suicide for science. No, Cave Johnson would only be mildly impressed, sorry.

True. He would be impressed with our use of science, however! Just... not completely. He would prefer it if the GB was controlling an army of mantis men!~Tobi

Or using trace amounts of time travel. Hopefully, GB will know not to make eye contact with himself... Lab boys tell me that'll wipe out time - entirely. Forward and backward.

And of course, on Voya Nui, they couldn't afford $8 worth of moon rocks, let alone $8 Billion, but the GB bought 'em anyway! Ground 'em up and turned 'em into a gel. And guess what?! Moon rocks are pure poison! He is now deathly ill...~Tobi

Then we cover him in Repulsion Gel... I hear that it doesn't like the humanoid skeleton. A bit of mercy...

[bleedingshadows94]

I think it's safe to say...http://i969.photobuc...rnum/Velika.jpg

As soon as the social media issues are fixed regarding Greg's community inactivity, we should send him this first thing.Interesting how we went from:"Dweller? Krakua? Kapura? Helryx? TSO? Miserix?"to:"Hydraxon? Krakua? Dume?"to:"Velika? Could it be Hydraxon? No, but... Yes, but... Velika?"to:"Yes! Definitely Velika! We have a winner!"

Of course. Speculation was on a grand scale, but luckily, we used SCIENCE!~Tobi

The science of someone finding out that his name practically shouted "Great Being" if you saw what it actually meant? YEP!

Cave Johnson would be very proud.~Tobi

No, Cave Johnson would be proud if the Great Being was killing his victims with his flammable lemons. Or kidnapping people and forcing them to practically commit suicide for science. No, Cave Johnson would only be mildly impressed, sorry.

True. He would be impressed with our use of science, however! Just... not completely. He would prefer it if the GB was controlling an army of mantis men!~Tobi

Or using trace amounts of time travel. Hopefully, GB will know not to make eye contact with himself... Lab boys tell me that'll wipe out time - entirely. Forward and backward.

And of course, on Voya Nui, they couldn't afford $8 worth of moon rocks, let alone $8 Billion, but the GB bought 'em anyway! Ground 'em up and turned 'em into a gel. And guess what?! Moon rocks are pure poison! He is now deathly ill...~Tobi

Then we cover him in Repulsion Gel... I hear that it doesn't like the humanoid skeleton. A bit of mercy...

That's assuming the GB has a humanoid skeleton.~Tobi

[Ice the Great]

I think it's safe to say...http://i969.photobuc...rnum/Velika.jpg

As soon as the social media issues are fixed regarding Greg's community inactivity, we should send him this first thing.Interesting how we went from:"Dweller? Krakua? Kapura? Helryx? TSO? Miserix?"to:"Hydraxon? Krakua? Dume?"to:"Velika? Could it be Hydraxon? No, but... Yes, but... Velika?"to:"Yes! Definitely Velika! We have a winner!"

Of course. Speculation was on a grand scale, but luckily, we used SCIENCE!~Tobi

The science of someone finding out that his name practically shouted "Great Being" if you saw what it actually meant? YEP!

Cave Johnson would be very proud.~Tobi

No, Cave Johnson would be proud if the Great Being was killing his victims with his flammable lemons. Or kidnapping people and forcing them to practically commit suicide for science. No, Cave Johnson would only be mildly impressed, sorry.

True. He would be impressed with our use of science, however! Just... not completely. He would prefer it if the GB was controlling an army of mantis men!~Tobi

Or using trace amounts of time travel. Hopefully, GB will know not to make eye contact with himself... Lab boys tell me that'll wipe out time - entirely. Forward and backward.

And of course, on Voya Nui, they couldn't afford $8 worth of moon rocks, let alone $8 Billion, but the GB bought 'em anyway! Ground 'em up and turned 'em into a gel. And guess what?! Moon rocks are pure poison! He is now deathly ill...~Tobi

Then we cover him in Repulsion Gel... I hear that it doesn't like the humanoid skeleton. A bit of mercy...

That's assuming the GB has a humanoid skeleton.~Tobi

GBs are typically described as such. Head, torso, two arms, two legs, etc.

[The Swimming Beard]

Tren Krom. It would be logical for such an unlikely character to be the great being. After all, who would guess it was him.

Edited April 10, 2012 by Toa of Smooth Jazz

[The Iron Toa]

Except the incognito Great Being is alive, and Tren Krom is dead, or at least seems to be. I guess it's possible that he survived being blown up and one of the chunks he left behind is crawling around carrying out his plots. But then I also think it was said that the GB was in a biomechanical body, and TK is completely biological.But even if most of us think it's Velika, Greg's already decided the answer and just not revealed it, right? I wish he could spare a little time to answer this and the other Big Questions, even if he has to wrap the serials up early.

[Infrared]

Tren Krom. It would be logical for such an unlikely character to be the great being. After all, who would guess it was him.

In addition, he was created prior to Mata Nui's awakening, and it says that the Great Being's body could definitely have been created by Mata Nui. Also, since he was trapped underground on an island, he couldn't really observe particularly well.

[The Swimming Beard]

What about Velika, then?

[bleedingshadows94]

What about Velika, then?

Well, he's our main guess. Although he technically was on VN for 1000 years, the MU is much older than that, and the GC was just a setback that couldn't be avoided. Plus, he was able to observe the way Matoran lived on VN exclusively for 1000 years. That's gotta be something, right?~Tobi

[Voxumo]

What about Velika, then?

Well, he's our main guess. Although he technically was on VN for 1000 years, the MU is much older than that, and the GC was just a setback that couldn't be avoided. Plus, he was able to observe the way Matoran lived on VN exclusively for 1000 years. That's gotta be something, right?~Tobi

well we could say the same for the mata-nui matoran since they were cut off from alot of technology and had no memories of their previous lives. that would be more interesting to observe than a bunch of matoran scraping for survival. even though things hint at velika i still hold with my theory that it is Darkness

[bleedingshadows94]

What about Velika, then?

Well, he's our main guess. Although he technically was on VN for 1000 years, the MU is much older than that, and the GC was just a setback that couldn't be avoided. Plus, he was able to observe the way Matoran lived on VN exclusively for 1000 years. That's gotta be something, right?~Tobi

well we could say the same for the mata-nui matoran since they were cut off from alot of technology and had no memories of their previous lives. that would be more interesting to observe than a bunch of matoran scraping for survival. even though things hint at velika i still hold with my theory that it is Darkness

True, true, you have a point that it could be him, and you are right about the MN Matoran, but very few really had a large enough story role for us to look at, I think.~TobiEDIT: Oh geez, um... guys... I think I just noticed something. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm all for Velika, and I really hope you all find ways to destroy what I'm about to tell you... but what if Pohatu is the Great Being?Now, I know, he was in a Toa Canister and was unable to observe, and was later on Mata Nui, but, I'm just wondering. The only reason I say this is because I was re-reading The Powers That Be, and in the first chapter, Pohatu finds Karzahni's dead body. Now, he saw Karzahni before Kopaka, and it's technically possible that he could have just created the blade and killed him. I don't like this theory, but I just saw it and it concerns me, so I thought I'd bring it up. Feel free to kill it with fire. Edited April 10, 2012 by Makuta'sdarkslave

[Dralcax]

What about Velika, then?

Well, he's our main guess. Although he technically was on VN for 1000 years, the MU is much older than that, and the GC was just a setback that couldn't be avoided. Plus, he was able to observe the way Matoran lived on VN exclusively for 1000 years. That's gotta be something, right?~Tobi

well we could say the same for the mata-nui matoran since they were cut off from alot of technology and had no memories of their previous lives. that would be more interesting to observe than a bunch of matoran scraping for survival. even though things hint at velika i still hold with my theory that it is Darkness

True, true, you have a point that it could be him, and you are right about the MN Matoran, but very few really had a large enough story role for us to look at, I think.~TobiEDIT: Oh geez, um... guys... I think I just noticed something. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm all for Velika, and I really hope you all find ways to destroy what I'm about to tell you... but what if Pohatu is the Great Being?Now, I know, he was in a Toa Canister and was unable to observe, and was later on Mata Nui, but, I'm just wondering. The only reason I say this is because I was re-reading The Powers That Be, and in the first chapter, Pohatu finds Karzahni's dead body. Now, he saw Karzahni before Kopaka, and it's technically possible that he could have just created the blade and killed him. I don't like this theory, but I just saw it and it concerns me, so I thought I'd bring it up. Feel free to kill it with fire.

The Toa Mata and the Mata Nui Matoran received memory damage at some point. So no. Edited April 10, 2012 by Chaos Dralcax

[Infrared]

Oh geez, um... guys... I think I just noticed something. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm all for Velika, and I really hope you all find ways to destroy what I'm about to tell you... but what if Pohatu is the Great Being?Now, I know, he was in a Toa Canister and was unable to observe, and was later on Mata Nui, but, I'm just wondering. The only reason I say this is because I was re-reading The Powers That Be, and in the first chapter, Pohatu finds Karzahni's dead body. Now, he saw Karzahni before Kopaka, and it's technically possible that he could have just created the blade and killed him. I don't like this theory, but I just saw it and it concerns me, so I thought I'd bring it up. Feel free to kill it with fire.

The Toa Mata and the Mata Nui Matoran received memory damage at some point. So no.

Chaos Dralcax is right. This is from the first post in this topic:

Though not directly stated by Greg, we can infer that the Great Being cannot be:

• [*]Any Toa Nuva -- The Toa Nuva suffered amnesia as the Toa Mata during their time in stasis. Kopaka and Tahu are already crossed off the list of potential candidates.[*]Any Toa Mahri -- They suffered the mind wipe from 2004 as Matoran.[*]Any Former Spherus Magna Inhabitant -- We can infer that no former Spherus Magna inhabitant is housing the Great Being's consciousness as the being is inside someone who was in the Matoran Universe.

[bleedingshadows94]

Chaos Dralcax is right. This is from the first post in this topic:

Though not directly stated by Greg, we can infer that the Great Being cannot be:

• [*]Any Toa Nuva -- The Toa Nuva suffered amnesia as the Toa Mata during their time in stasis. Kopaka and Tahu are already crossed off the list of potential candidates.[*]Any Toa Mahri -- They suffered the mind wipe from 2004 as Matoran.[*]Any Former Spherus Magna Inhabitant -- We can infer that no former Spherus Magna inhabitant is housing the Great Being's consciousness as the being is inside someone who was in the Matoran Universe.

OH JEEZ THANK YOU. I haven't read the first post in a while, so I couldn't remember if he was applicable, and I was reading the story... thank you for clearing that up. PHEW.~Tobi

[Dralcax]

[bleedingshadows94]

So much lulzyness~Tobi

[Ice the Great]

Not bad... but you ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD... MAGICAL CYLINDER!!!!!!!!!!

[Infrared]

This is getting off topic...Anyways, I seem to recall something along the lines that the Great Being was mentioned in the original topic. When I checked back a while ago, I wasn't able to find the original topic, so I can't check to make sure. Does anyone remember something similar (or does anyone have the URL to the archived topic)? If that turns out to be the case, it would mean that we could create a list with all of the potential candidates. I realize that the general consensus is that it's Velika, but it might help us guess more definitively who the Great Being is, and it would guarantee that we wouldn't miss anything.

Edited April 13, 2012 by Infrared

[bleedingshadows94]

This is getting off topic...Anyways, I seem to recall something along the lines that the Great Being was mentioned in the original topic. When I checked back a while ago, I wasn't able to find the original topic, so I can't check to make sure. Does anyone remember something similar (or does anyone have the URL to the archived topic)? If that turns out to be the case, it would mean that we could create a list with all of the potential candidates. I realize that the general consensus is that it's Velika, but it might help us guess more definitively who the Great Being is, and it would guarantee that we wouldn't miss anything.

I didn't even realize there was another topic. Sorry. Anyone else know where they could find it?~Tobi

[Goldenguy]

So Velika is everyone's main guess, probable because his motor mouth represented the ideas in his head, though i THINK he did affected the plot, and we must guess a character that did NOTHING to the plot...absolutely NOTHING...

[Ice the Great]

This is getting off topic...Anyways, I seem to recall something along the lines that the Great Being was mentioned in the original topic. When I checked back a while ago, I wasn't able to find the original topic, so I can't check to make sure. Does anyone remember something similar (or does anyone have the URL to the archived topic)? If that turns out to be the case, it would mean that we could create a list with all of the potential candidates. I realize that the general consensus is that it's Velika, but it might help us guess more definitively who the Great Being is, and it would guarantee that we wouldn't miss anything.

I didn't even realize there was another topic. Sorry. Anyone else know where they could find it?~Tobi

Found it. It's in the Archives, but it has some useful info. Edited April 13, 2012 by Ice the Great

[bleedingshadows94]

So Velika is everyone's main guess, probable because his motor mouth represented the ideas in his head, though i THINK he did affected the plot, and we must guess a character that did NOTHING to the plot...absolutely NOTHING...

We've tried looking at that, but to be honest, there are quite a few of those, and in my honest opinion, there are very few characters that fall under that category that would be chosen, because then we would not be able to guess who it was based on what they've done. Besides, most of those "useless characters" are Matoran that were on Mata Nui, all of whom we can assume worked in Metru Nui to keep the robot working. There is nothing that suggests any of them did not, and would therefore, fall under the category of being the GB.~Tobi

[Click]

Hmm, random guess. Could it possibly be any Dark Hunters? Of course, many of them are insane and horribly mutated, but a few could work.

[Ballom Nom Nom]

Hmm, random guess. Could it possibly be any Dark Hunters? Of course, many of them are insane and horribly mutated, but a few could work.

The OP gives a quote from Greg that the GB is not TSO because "he was in the MU to observe, not sabotage its running by causing trouble and disruption." Pretty much every other Dark Hunter is trying to sabotage and destroy, so that would seem to preclude the possibility of the GB being a Dark Hunter.~B~

[Voxumo]

Hmm, random guess. Could it possibly be any Dark Hunters? Of course, many of them are insane and horribly mutated, but a few could work.

The OP gives a quote from Greg that the GB is not TSO because "he was in the MU to observe, not sabotage its running by causing trouble and disruption." Pretty much every other Dark Hunter is trying to sabotage and destroy, so that would seem to preclude the possibility of the GB being a Dark Hunter.~B~

Well like i have said i believe it could be Darkness. he as far as we have not done anything to actually sabotage the matoran universe. he is just always watching the shadowed one and as said he has had to punish some dark hunters but that is not directly doing any harm to the matoran universe. and obviously he either has the powers or the fighting skills to kill the dark hunter. but yes alot of things point to velika but i still insist that darkness is the GB.

[Click]

Well, I just like trying to think outside the box, and not Velika, because if there's a prize for guessing it right, only the first person gets it anyways, so why say "I think it's Velika" every post? And what about Mantax? He was quiet, didn't do much in the story. He was also important and created by Mata Nui.EDIT: Well, as long as GB get powerhungry.

Edited April 14, 2012 by Click

[Ballom Nom Nom]

And what about Mantax? He was quiet, didn't do much in the story. He was also important and created by Mata Nui.

Bear in mind that he tried to take over the universe. Doesn't seem like something a pure observer would try.~B~