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[Constructman]

That would be like Wolverine vs Magneto: Echelon would just hurl the matoran to the moon.So, a while back, we were discussing a spy organization. Do you think that this woud be a good idea to implement it? Seeing as the Turaga have been murdered and all; don't you think Mata Nui needs more intelligence?Also, Mata Nui could really use a Stormtrooper Corps (Not literally; just a highly organized infantry). Just sayin'

[Voutok S'Tythe (Ray)]

So when's the BZPRPG 2013 Plot Update or whatever it's called starting up?EDIT:

That would be like Wolverine vs Magneto: Echelon would just hurl the matoran to the moon.So, a while back, we were discussing a spy organization. Do you think that this woud be a good idea to implement it? Seeing as the Turaga have been murdered and all; don't you think Mata Nui needs more intelligence?Also, Mata Nui could really use a Stormtrooper Corps (Not literally; just a highly organized infantry). Just sayin'

-----------------------Voutok would probably join that if such an opportunity arose. De-Matoran + sound-dampening headsets that can be toggled to different settings = perfect eaves-dropper XD *shot*

Edited by Voutok S'Tythe (Ray), Jan 03 2013 - 06:59 PM.

[Constructman]

Probably Mid-Late January.Also, one other thing. You know how boats like the Infervanika and the Fowadi (I think) have cannons? Why don't we have ground cannons as well?

Edited by Constructman, Jan 03 2013 - 06:59 PM.

[Peele]

That would be like Wolverine vs Magneto: Echelon would just hurl the matoran to the moon.So, a while back, we were discussing a spy organization. Do you think that this woud be a good idea to implement it? Seeing as the Turaga have been murdered and all; don't you think Mata Nui needs more intelligence?Also, Mata Nui could really use a Stormtrooper Corps (Not literally; just a highly organized infantry). Just sayin'

Not really. I actually had a long debate on ways the Matoran could win. It's called guerilla tactics, rather than outright combat.

 

I think a spy organization would be really difficult to set up. Because first you would have to have the players, but more importantly, you would have to get the characters in place. The organizations you want to spy on aren't stupid. They're good about keeping their mouths shut on on information, especially to new comers.

 

Second, um. Hai Ussalry, hai Ta-Koro Guard, hai Marines, hai Sanctum Guard, hai Po-Koro Guard, hai Gukko Force.

[Mad Scientist BioBeast]

That would be like Wolverine vs Magneto: Echelon would just hurl the matoran to the moon.

Unless of course, said Matoran was smart and manipulated the location to her advantage.  The outcome of a battle depends on the landscape and pre-battle planning a lot more than you seem to think.  Plus, I seem to remember Friar Tuck saying something about Magnetism not being as overpowered as everyone thinks it is.

[Ghosthands]

I'm now thinking about having my Matoran character fight Echelon, just to prove that Matoran can actually take down much more powerful foes. Said by the guy who had one of the first Matoran in the 2012 BZPRPG.

You do that. I'm sure it'll go fine

Edited by Illusive Ghosthands, Jan 03 2013 - 07:01 PM.

[Mad Scientist BioBeast]

 

I'm now thinking about having my Matoran character fight Echelon, just to prove that Matoran can actually take down much more powerful foes. Said by the guy who had one of the first Matoran in the 2012 BZPRPG.

You do that. I'm sure it'll go fine <evilgrin>

 

But I can't.  Echelon is busy with plot related stuff.

[Voutok S'Tythe (Ray)]

That would be like Wolverine vs Magneto: Echelon would just hurl the matoran to the moon.

--------Unless of course, said Matoran was smart and manipulated the location to her advantage.  The outcome of a battle depends on the landscape and pre-battle planning a lot more than you seem to think.  Plus, I seem to remember Friar Tuck saying something about Magnetism not being as overpowered as everyone thinks it is.

--------I dislike the sexism expressed in identifying all matoran as "her"s. Just saying. *shot*

[Constructman]

Second, um. Hai Ussalry, hai Ta-Koro Guard, hai Marines, hai Sanctum Guard, hai Po-Koro Guard, hai Gukko Force.

I guess you could say that... But where did all of our (PC) men go? We're not exactly lacking in men but we don't really have legions either. Is it a canon population problem or more of not that many PCs?

[Peele]

I think you'll find that there are more PCs than you think. But either way, it's just that not all that many PCs get made for them. Well, except Po-Koro. Po Koro really is lacking at the moment.

 

danke, infernavika

[Relapse]

They went to the Ussalry. The Ussalry is full of Matoran who could take down a normal Toa on a bad day.

[Mr. Coffee]

Second, um. Hai Ussalry, hai Ta-Koro Guard, hai Marines, hai Sanctum Guard, hai Po-Koro Guard, hai Gukko Force.

Those are more like Police, not military. That would be the Toa.

[Relapse]

Actually, the respective Koro guards are much like a military, especially in Ga-Koro and Onu-Koro.

[Peele]

They went to the Ussalry. The Ussalry is full of Matoran who could take down a normal Toa on a bad day.

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So much this. There literally isn't a single active Ussalry member who hasn't personally taken down a Toa, or the equivalent. On their own.

 

 

Second, um. Hai Ussalry, hai Ta-Koro Guard, hai Marines, hai Sanctum Guard, hai Po-Koro Guard, hai Gukko Force.

Those are more like Police, not military. That would be the Toa.

 

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Sort of. In the BZPRPG, they're both. They function as a police force, yes, but they also serve as the village's military. Because in this version of things, Toa are allowed into the respective militaries. So, in a way, the Toa are the military, but not entirely.

[25K When?]

Po-Koro is cannon fodder. Which is amusing, seeing that the population of guards there is tiny compared to the others. We can all blame Raknar and Grochi for that. EDIT:

 

They went to the Ussalry. The Ussalry is full of Matoran who could take down a normal Toa on a bad day.

----------------------- So much this. There literally isn't a single active Ussalry member who hasn't personally taken down a Toa, or the equivalent. On their own.

 

Uyism.

Edited by Space Pirate, Jan 03 2013 - 07:18 PM.

[Constructman]

Isn't Ta-Koro the most militarized?But yeah, what are the rules on taking control over an NPC group of soldiers?Also, what about an all-vortixx corp? Each equipped with a particle beam rifle and a beam saber?EDIT: That's why we have troopS, not troop. The more of them the better.

Edited by Constructman, Jan 03 2013 - 07:20 PM.

[Peele]

Uyism may be less of an example, but she did take down a lot of Rama. And she's one of the only people who didn't get hurt in some way during 7th opening fight.

 

EDIT: Ta may have the most militarized village, but Onu is rapidly catching up for which is the most militaristic.

Edited by Krayzikk Bieber, Jan 03 2013 - 07:21 PM.

[25K When?]

Uyism may be less of an example, but she did take down a lot of Rama. And she's one of the only people who didn't get hurt in some way during 7th opening fight.

 

EDIT: Ta may have the most militarized village, but Onu is rapidly catching up for which is the most militaristic.

You mean after she got frozen in a block of ice?

[Lontra Canadensis]

That would be like Wolverine vs Magneto: Echelon would just hurl the matoran to the moon.So, a while back, we were discussing a spy organization. Do you think that this woud be a good idea to implement it? Seeing as the Turaga have been murdered and all; don't you think Mata Nui needs more intelligence?Also, Mata Nui could really use a Stormtrooper Corps (Not literally; just a highly organized infantry). Just sayin'

***I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but I still think that this is a really, really stupid idea...if only because it'll never work. The player base, and most of their characters as well, are too smart to let something like this happen. All you'd get for your spy group would be "so I robbed this one dude last night" or "hey I stabbed him with a beer bottle that I broke" or "hey you see that Dorian guy omygawd he's so hawt."And a Stormtrooper Corps, be it a highly organized infantry, something like the Waffen SS, or Stormtroopers from Star Wars, would also be half impossible to make work. All the village guard groups are fine on their own, really, and if they need to join together, they will. At the moment though, they don't need to.

 

Po-Koro is cannon fodder. Which is amusing, seeing that the population of guards there is tiny compared to the others. We can all blame Raknar and Grochi for that.  

***

 

oh hi

[Conway]

Welcome to the Dreadheart.

 

No, perhaps not my best work, but it does include a bit of Gunner's backstory (since he's the only char I provide flashbacks for).

[Tabby: Toa of Cats]

 

That would be like Wolverine vs Magneto: Echelon would just hurl the matoran to the moon.So, a while back, we were discussing a spy organization. Do you think that this woud be a good idea to implement it? Seeing as the Turaga have been murdered and all; don't you think Mata Nui needs more intelligence?Also, Mata Nui could really use a Stormtrooper Corps (Not literally; just a highly organized infantry). Just sayin'

***I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but I still think that this is a really, really stupid idea...if only because it'll never work. The player base, and most of their characters as well, are too smart to let something like this happen. All you'd get for your spy group would be "so I robbed this one dude last night" or "hey I stabbed him with a beer bottle that I broke" or "hey you see that Dorian guy omygawd he's so hawt."And a Stormtrooper Corps, be it a highly organized infantry, something like the Waffen SS, or Stormtroopers from Star Wars, would also be half impossible to make work. All the village guard groups are fine on their own, really, and if they need to join together, they will. At the moment though, they don't need to.

 

Po-Koro is cannon fodder. Which is amusing, seeing that the population of guards there is tiny compared to the others. We can all blame Raknar and Grochi for that.  

***

 

oh hi

 

The spy force idea could be accomplished with a couple of Iden wearers, supplemented by "body" guards. Just to point that out.

[Emzee]

Well, I got quite a curveball in Ko-Wahi. What to do? What to do?

 

There are a lot of directions I could've taken, even considering the primary constraint (that Niici is, no matter what, not a protagonist, but the antagonist to another character's story -- so I can't use this experience to change her in any significant way). Finally I decided to just lay (almost) everything out. 

 

In other news, I also wrote up the climax post to the Cultured Gentry arc, so I won't have to worry about that when the time finally comes. 

 

For now, enjoy this piece character... stuff.

 

The Cards Are All Laid Out. 

Edited by Emzee, Jan 03 2013 - 09:56 PM.

[Toa Of Virtues]

So probably, if I have time tomarrow, the feast in Ko-Wahi begins. Muahahaha! I have been waiting to do this for quite some time now...

[Axilus Prime]

A Matoran could only win a fight with a Toa under VERY good circumstances.

 

Wide open area, plenty of cover, good planning, well-prepared, and pray to Mata Nui the Toa has no means of keeping track of them (Arthron, for example), does not have an element that controls their very environment or a good deal of it, and does not have a means of keeping them in one spot to hammer away at. (Matatu, Gravity, Magnetism in a highly metallic environment to strap them to some object for the duration of the fight)

 

Toa vs Matoran is simple. Restrain using powers (Or catch them and headlock, raising them so their feet cannot touch the ground), beat them up until their bones are indistinguishable from their flesh and insides.

 

As for vs. Skakdi and Vortixx, the Matoran may not be as doomed. But still, a good piece of foreign tech and a way to restrain the Matoran (Easy for just about anything that ISN'T a Matoran, assuming you can catch them) and the Matoran's dead meat.

[Voutok S'Tythe (Ray)]

On a completely irrelevant tangent, I find it kinda sad-funny that Silvan is now really into that Loophole RP and doesn't have time to readily respond to my posts anymore, so I'm basically at a standstill until it occurs to him that since I have no other characters I'm literally waiting on him before I can do just about anything in the RP XD I understand the feeling as I've done it myself before, I'm just saying the concept IS kinda funny in a sad way for those who have the "short end of the stick" =3

[Scott Sterling]

A Matoran could only win a fight with a Toa under VERY good circumstances. Wide open area, plenty of cover, good planning, well-prepared, and pray to Mata Nui the Toa has no means of keeping track of them (Arthron, for example), does not have an element that controls their very environment or a good deal of it, and does not have a means of keeping them in one spot to hammer away at. (Matatu, Gravity, Magnetism in a highly metallic environment to strap them to some object for the duration of the fight) Toa vs Matoran is simple. Restrain using powers (Or catch them and headlock, raising them so their feet cannot touch the ground), beat them up until their bones are indistinguishable from their flesh and insides. As for vs. Skakdi and Vortixx, the Matoran may not be as doomed. But still, a good piece of foreign tech and a way to restrain the Matoran (Easy for just about anything that ISN'T a Matoran, assuming you can catch them) and the Matoran's dead meat.

I'd like to see any of your chars try to beat Tarnok, Sulov, or as far as I go, Erif.

[Constructman]

Easy.As soon as the enemy opens their mouth, shoot something in.

[Peele]

TNG. Go to Onu. Read Taruok v. Liacada. Then come back and tell me a Matoran needs specific circumstances to win.Or read Sulov's fight.in the Crucible. Search Ga and you'll find it.

[BenLuke]

[color=#ff0000;]"A Matoran could only win a fight with a Toa under VERY good circumstances.[/color]

 

[color=#ff0000;]Wide open area, plenty of cover, good planning, well-prepared, and pray to Mata Nui the Toa has no means of keeping track of them (Arthron, for example), does not have an element that controls their very environment or a good deal of it, and does not have a means of keeping them in one spot to hammer away at. (Matatu, Gravity, Magnetism in a highly metallic environment to strap them to some object for the duration of the fight)[/color]

 

[color=#ff0000;]Toa vs Matoran is simple. Restrain using powers (Or catch them and headlock, raising them so their feet cannot touch the ground), beat them up until their bones are indistinguishable from their flesh and insides.[/color]

 

[color=#ff0000;]As for vs. Skakdi and Vortixx, the Matoran may not be as doomed. But still, a good piece of foreign tech and a way to restrain the Matoran (Easy for just about anything that ISN'T a Matoran, assuming you can catch them) and the Matoran's dead meat."[/color]

 

And what about against element that aren't suited to containing things? And what about after the Toa has used up all their elemental power in such an inanely complex move?

 

Besides, it really comes down to who has more prowess in battle (And who's the better player, but then this argument is from an IC perspective.) , and the Matoran of Mata Nui have all had centuries of more or less total war with the wildlife around them. They have to be tough to survive, otherwise they'd have all be devoured long ago. They're like the Fremen in Dune, or the historical Norsemen or Mongols, tough places create peoples tough enough to survive in them, and you seem to be ignoring that.

Edited by Javert, Jan 03 2013 - 10:53 PM.

[Lontra Canadensis]

"The spy force idea could be accomplished with a couple of Iden wearers, supplemented by "body" guards. Just to point that out."

 

hahaha

 

>nope.avi

 

I'm sorry, but you seem to forget that most people on this island know their masks. And that just falls into those precautions that anybody smart would take.

 

And again you're left with "hey that Dorian guy is a-Dor-able" or "time to mug that guy" or something like that.

[Friar Tuck]

Well, I got quite a curveball in Ko-Wahi. What to do? What to do?

 

There are a lot of directions I could've taken, even considering the primary constraint (that Niici is, no matter what, not a protagonist, but the antagonist to another character's story -- so I can't use this experience to change her in any significant way). Finally I decided to just lay (almost) everything out. 

 

In other news, I also wrote up the climax post to the Cultured Gentry arc, so I won't have to worry about that when the time finally comes. 

 

For now, enjoy this piece character... stuff.

 

The Cards Are All Laid Out. 

 

[color=#8b4513;]Emzee, sorry to put you on the spot there, but as you know things happen. Even your characters are not immune from Tuck Character Development Syndrome, a condition that is acquired upon interaction with my charrie(s), I also understand your predicament with Niici and how you cannot significantly alter her fate. I wish that were otherwise, but all things considered I do believe you did magnificently under the conditions. Excellent case-study for everyone else.[/color]

 

[color=#8b4513;]Well, here goes my post...[/color]

[25K When?]

Unless Emzee has a super secret scheme that he's hiding under layers and layers and layers of "Nice GM"

[Silvan Haven]

Sorry Voutok, my time right now it a little strained and it is easier to follow Loophole then the BZPRPG.

 

On another note, I think the spy organization would be a good idea. The bad guys have stuff of that sort, I see no reason that we can't have one or two good ones.

[Voutok S'Tythe (Ray)]

Sorry Voutok, my time right now it a little strained and it is easier to follow Loophole then the BZPRPG. On another note, I think the spy organization would be a good idea. The bad guys have stuff of that sort, I see no reason that we can't have one or two good ones.

It is absolutely no problem whatsoever. I remember being in the same kind of spot as you last year in an RP not-on-this-site. That's why I find it funny =3

[Sauce]

A Matoran could only win a fight with a Toa under VERY good circumstances.

 

Wide open area, plenty of cover, good planning, well-prepared, and pray to Mata Nui the Toa has no means of keeping track of them (Arthron, for example), does not have an element that controls their very environment or a good deal of it, and does not have a means of keeping them in one spot to hammer away at. (Matatu, Gravity, Magnetism in a highly metallic environment to strap them to some object for the duration of the fight)

 

Toa vs Matoran is simple. Restrain using powers (Or catch them and headlock, raising them so their feet cannot touch the ground), beat them up until their bones are indistinguishable from their flesh and insides.

 

As for vs. Skakdi and Vortixx, the Matoran may not be as doomed. But still, a good piece of foreign tech and a way to restrain the Matoran (Easy for just about anything that ISN'T a Matoran, assuming you can catch them) and the Matoran's dead meat.

 

Or, you know, take into account the players of the two characters and not judge based solely on who's bigger and badder.

 

This post is all sorts of ignorant.

 

-Tyler

[Relapse]

You throw me a Toa with an Arthrom, I raise you one Ussalry member.

[Voutok S'Tythe (Ray)]

Speaking of matoran-run operations, could someone tell me if any of the Ga-Koro Marines (preferably a non-NPC) would be at their HQ around this time? I'm going to need one if I go the direction I think I'm about to go in the BZPRPG...

[CAPUA]

Firon's not at the HQ, but he is available for interaction.

[grav]

You throw me a Toa with an Arthrom, I raise you one Ussalry member.

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[color=rgb(0,0,0);][font="'comic sans ms', cursive;"]Sounds like an exotic dish.[/color][/font]

 

[color=rgb(0,0,0);][font="'comic sans ms', cursive;"]I want one. ;3[/color][/font]

[Toa Xemnas of Crystal]

You throw me a Toa with an Arthrom, I raise you one Ussalry member.

 

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Please, somebody do this. We should now have a random Toa vs. Matoran fight just to see what happens and to show that Matoran can win fights.