Shadowhawk Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Oh, don't get me started on the entire "which landmasses exist" thing. I'm still trying to write over my mistakes from early on because of the ambiguity involved. This is exactly what I'm talking about. The information's all there, but it's buried pretty deep in big long staff posts with little to no pointers as to where to find it. I say again, we need an obvious and clear topic for new players. Motion seconded. A 'Quick Start' guide, if you will. Right up front and obvious, with flashing lights and 'READ ME FIRST' and all that. Quote BZPRPG profiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nold Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Oh, don't get me started on the entire "which landmasses exist" thing. I'm still trying to write over my mistakes from early on because of the ambiguity involved. This is exactly what I'm talking about. The information's all there, but it's buried pretty deep in big long staff posts with little to no pointers as to where to find it. I say again, we need an obvious and clear topic for new players.Motion seconded. A 'Quick Start' guide, if you will. Right up front and obvious, with flashing lights and 'READ ME FIRST' and all that.Motion...thirded? Quote Xbox LIVE: FlamingCheese77 BZPRPG Profiles: http://www.bzpower.com/board/topic/9733-bzprpg-profile-pages/?p=547516~Ignitus~Rerus~Xadah~Moeru~Rida~Turi~Sokia~Kashikoi~Yujin~Bani~Waru~Tasuke~Therin~Diabhal~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constructelf Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Fourthed. That threw me off as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
They Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 (edited) Fifthed. A quick start guide with essential lore and rules would be perfect. It can be very simple and condensed, with hyper links out to wiki articles or other topics. Edited May 28, 2014 by Kughii Quote http://www.bzpower.com/board/index.php?showtopic=9733&page=2&do=findComment&comment=546628 Link for the BZPRPG 2013 arc profiles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSR Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Sixthed. We might be able to pin it or combine it with the existing guide topics as well. Quote Hey: I'm not very active around BZP right now. However, you can always contact me through PM (I have email notifications set up) and I will reply as soon as I can. Useful Topics: The Q&A Compendium | The Official RPG Planning Topic Stories: Fractures | An Aftermath | Three Stories | LSO 2012 Epics: Team Three | The Shadow and the Sea | The Days They Were Needed | Glitches | Transformations | Echoes | The Kaita and the Storyteller | Nui BZPRPG: Komae · Soraya · Bohrei Blog: Defendant Lobby no. 42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canis Lycaon Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 (edited) Zeroethed. I'm the one who suggested it in the first place. I want this badly. Edited May 28, 2014 by Canis Lycaon Quote I used to have a banner here. But that RPG is dead. What now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghosthands Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Zeroethed. I'm the one who suggested it in the first place. I want this badly. You weren't, but that's beside the point. It seems as though there's a large consensus on this subject - take note, staffies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nold Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Six notes, to be precise. Quote Xbox LIVE: FlamingCheese77 BZPRPG Profiles: http://www.bzpower.com/board/topic/9733-bzprpg-profile-pages/?p=547516~Ignitus~Rerus~Xadah~Moeru~Rida~Turi~Sokia~Kashikoi~Yujin~Bani~Waru~Tasuke~Therin~Diabhal~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmperorWhenua Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 The note has been taken and... uh... where did I put it... uhhhhh I'll remember it! Quote BZPRPG Profiles / Critical Acclaim / Complaints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorikSigma Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Well it seems that that is something the players are wanting. And it will definitely be helpful. Seventhed. Quote BZPRPG ARC 3 / Breaking Point Profiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlchemistMayCry Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Eighth'd. Definitely down for a quick start guide. Quote Under this flag, I fly in freedom. A space pirate, sailing the sea of stars.BZPRPG Profiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geardirector Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Ninthed, for good measure. This is a good idea. Quote BZPRPG Profiles Nuparu-Ferron-Mar-Zelvin-Wiremu-Farzan-Mako-Krex-Tamachan-??? Akiri Nuparu Posts: 1. 2. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
They Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 If staff wants help I volunteer to pm inactive players and see of they wish to come back or have their comments removed to declutter the profile topic. There have been a few incidences of double posting there. Also, Ghosthands, Mango, and I are going to be overhauling the wiki during the summer, so links may need to be adjusted. Quote http://www.bzpower.com/board/index.php?showtopic=9733&page=2&do=findComment&comment=546628 Link for the BZPRPG 2013 arc profiles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razgriz Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Seems like a pretty good idea to me. Quote helo frens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
25K Now! Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 But Kughz, peon say they don't wannt to coke back but do so anyway. You don't need to "declutter" profiles. Quote http://vimeo.com/198967785 BZPRPG Profiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuRon the champion Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 I'll try to overhaul my own pages... Especially since school ends in five days for me... Quote BZPRPG Characters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorikSigma Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Lolz only three pages for me to overhaul. I'll try to help too. Quote BZPRPG ARC 3 / Breaking Point Profiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadow pridak money gang Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Deleting profiles of "inactive" players seems like a pretty poor precedent to set to me, too. The topic is only four pages - it's not that cluttered enough to the point where you can't just find what you're looking for with a brief use of the search function. -Tyler 7 Quote SAY IT ONE MORE TIME TELL ME WHAT IS ON YOUR MIND Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 (edited) 4. We could also resurrect the CRANE initiative. CRANE (I forget what the acronym stood for) was intended to be a sort of welcoming committee/mentoring scheme for new players, but it fell apart a long time ago.CRANE's a good idea, and I think it should make resurgence, but it's not really for me. Hate to be the resident n00b, but... what is this "CRANE" you speak of? All this talk of CRANE without consulting its founder? If your intent was to annoy him, well, I'm afraid I'll disappoint: I am in high feather. Stowing the jokes, I would like to inform you all about the CRANE (subsequently referred to as "CRANE" for convenience) in relation to the BZPRPG for a little bit so we can really consider its helpfulness in abetting activity. For future reference, the CRANE post is here. Firstly, CRANE isn't actually dead. As noted in the blog post, the only requirement to be a member is to take its pledge to help out newer players; additionally, in spite of the attempts to come up with ways for its members to host in-game competitions and education for newer characters, membership has never been a prerequisite to join in any such activity. However, that doesn't mean it's inactive. Regardless of whether its members are united in their work, I've yet to see one stop working. Secondly, CRANE's formality is the aforementioned oath. It has no rewards, command structure, etc. and is thus not inclined to be of strict organization. What CRANE does have is a single purpose: education. As a coalition, it never required anything else. Its services are only as applied and offered by members. I'm not here to talk about how CRANE has done over the years, but I believe it could've been handled better and I think that leads pretty well into my feedback about the trouble with player caste in the game. In no small part, this mismanagement of the concept was due to its creator's assumptions regarding that system. I built CRANE under the popular premise that there were two kinds of roleplayers: veterans and newbies. Newbies, I assumed, constituted a low class of toddling people universally possessing childlike and error-prone mentalities and writing styles. Veterans were the diametric opposition to newbies, knowledgeable and practiced roleplayers who had the seamless authorship newbies strove for and thus held responsibility for the newbies' eventual inductions into their echelon. I thought that there was a clearly-cut line between these two groups. I've been through a lot since I first subscribed to that particular idea. Anyone who knows me is aware that I've built locations and relationships here, seen them struck down by the staff, and started again a few times. Yet that story is hardly unique. Regardless of their good intentions, long-standing investment in the game, or experience, I've seen "veterans" just as apt to make mistakes as those we consider new (anyone remember Dorian and Grokk's "great escape?") while "newbies" have been more prudent in their dealings and adroit in their writing with less knowledge (hey, baby). The truth is that people rise and fall and experience is only as good as its application. In that case, how are we to define anyone as "veteran" or "new?" I believe the answer is that we keep those terms circulating only as adjectives pertaining to relative experience and not as nouns. As even the rules can only define "veterans" nebulously as "members who have been involved in the BZPRPG for a long period of time," the only boundaries we can ever create between the new and veterans (and other classes) are arbitrary, and any other connotations, all the more. We can clearly define the differences between staff and non-staff players or those who play Akiri and those who don't, but experience is not so easily measured; I would hesitate to call anyone a "veteran" regardless of experience, at least as the term has historically meant in class division. I'd also like to concur with JL and Voxumo and extend this opinion to a piece of wisdom they talked about.What Voxumo said rang a bell, and I feel is definitely an attitude/mentality that will only make the RP healthier:Thrust yourselves into their rp.But despite that, I've attempted to join into an interaction only to be ignored...........and that really doesn't help out at all. >_> "Elites" have just as much responsibility to interact freely as anyone else. While it's easy for people to turn this into a game in which only a few select players post in the series of interactions developing their characters, it's certainly not healthy for the game, nor the players. No one should be mandated to request interaction, but it's rude and unhealthy (for both the game and the players involved) to shut others out. If one really wanted to write with only those he or she favored, anyway, why wouldn't one drop this game and leave to play that elsewhere? There's no clear reason to divide people into separate camps based on experience in a game. It's toxic and holds us back more than any plot stagnation ever could. This is an exercise for all of us, a way to have fun and a way to learn, too. I think those are two more similarities than we have defined differences. Edited September 4, 2014 by Own Personal Quixote 5 Quote [Profiles] Wisdom. Restraint. Emptiness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athmos Posted May 30, 2014 Share Posted May 30, 2014 I agree to everything above. It hit the nail on the head to me! Quote WIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
They Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 I have a question for staff: What have you decided to implement, if anything, at this time? Quote http://www.bzpower.com/board/index.php?showtopic=9733&page=2&do=findComment&comment=546628 Link for the BZPRPG 2013 arc profiles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuju Metru Posted June 6, 2014 Author Share Posted June 6, 2014 I have a question for staff: What have you decided to implement, if anything, at this time? Recently, I'd been too busy to give this topic the thorough read-over it deserves, or to compile and execute a to-do list from it. I'll get to this soon, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
They Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Thanks for the New Player's Start Here topic. Even as someone with a couple years of gameplay under my belt with the BZPRPG I still found the timeline to be invaluable, and I'm looking forward to seeing what goes into the post with the construction sign. I'm also happy to see staff intends to keep the timeline up to date, given the timestamp of when it was last edited. Tyler's call for matoran sounds like an answer to some of the calls from players in this topic for more interaction with staff plot. Thank you, staff, for listening and working to modify and shift things to include what you've heard! Quote http://www.bzpower.com/board/index.php?showtopic=9733&page=2&do=findComment&comment=546628 Link for the BZPRPG 2013 arc profiles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. House Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Firstly, the BZPRPG has been near stagnation for a while. Something that personally saddens me, and most likely saddens most of us. Slow paced topics, emphasis upon long, albeit beautiful super-posts, and little advancement of the plot. In the past, grand conflicts, their buildups, their enactment, and their climaxes have defined seasons. The wars between the Kin and The Santun, The Cabal of Cruelty and every other faction, the war between the Matoran and The Makuta etc. These keep the game active, and provide immense opportunities for character interaction and development. The past couple of months, while full of slow build-up and well-crafted interaction, have slogged down without such a conflict. Secondly, I think we should be making more preparations for the probable influx of new members in coming years. As let's face it, most of us are used to this tight-knit, less active community. A more mature community, with long winded posts and members who've played for years. We've grown unused to the frantic activity, and chaotic (Albeit fun) atmosphere of the BZPRPG six, or even three years ago. Unused to the numbers of inexperienced players, unused to young members, and unused to both the possible confusion and fresh air that comes with them. How long has it been since a person under the age of twelve has played the BZPRPG? Someone who has barely written anything but a school paper? Someone new to the line, or RPGing of any type? To me, the CRANE program is a step in the right direction, but should be but the first step in efforts to integrate new members. I don't mean teach the new members grammar or whatnot, but just to remember that many of our new members will be children and act accordingly. Thirdly, I think there should be a kind of BZPRPG History compiled. I think it would be amazing for newer members to learn what happened before. The heroes and the villains, the players who controlled them, the major plots and events. The game has such a rich lore, it would be an utter pity for it to pass out of memory with each gone veteran. Perhaps have a BZPRPG historian, go through the wikis, and interview the eldest veterans for their experiences in game. 2 Quote I occasionally return to BZP for a nostalgic trip back. Hit me up on discord if you need anything. BZPRPG Characters that I will possibly revive, Mons-Shajs-Tarotrix-Aryll Vudigg-Jorruk Yokin-Senavysh Angavur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paleo Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 I've never played the RPG before and I don't know if this is sacrilege for me to suggest, but here goes. Has it ever been considered to make the BZPRPG into much more of a tabletop RPG like D&D? Doing so would introduce much more chance and would also allow for control over OP feats. Quote Flickr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowhawk Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 I've never played the RPG before and I don't know if this is sacrilege for me to suggest, but here goes. Has it ever been considered to make the BZPRPG into much more of a tabletop RPG like D&D? Doing so would introduce much more chance and would also allow for control over OP feats.Now you know. It is. 3 Quote BZPRPG profiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
They Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 There's a set-based RPG/fight game called Arena over in Games and Trivia, and over the years there's been some Bionicle RPGs involving dice or a d20 system, but the BZPRPG is a text-based rpg, bound only to the limitations of current rules and one's imagination. Quote http://www.bzpower.com/board/index.php?showtopic=9733&page=2&do=findComment&comment=546628 Link for the BZPRPG 2013 arc profiles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcarusBen Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Here's an idea; a sort of simple program that walks someone through character creation. Drop down lists, basic lore info, the works. Perhaps it could be customizable to allow for other RPGs to use it. Quote LEGO Republic:The ValkyrieThe "Christmas Brick" My BZPRPG Profiles Now a proud member of The Kanohi Force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nato G Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 What's wrong with the current info? We have a wiki for lore and history, and we have the rules and profiles pages, which clearly explain what's allowed and what isn't. Quote Embers - A Bionicle Saga - Chapters/Review Class Is Out - A Farewell To Corpus Rahkshi - Chapters/Review BZPRPG Characters - Minnorak, Kain, T'harrak, Savis, Vazaria, Lash BZPRPG Mercenary Group - The Outsiders - Description - History - Base Ghosts Of Bara Magna - Ash Tribe - Precipere - Kehla, Somok, Skrall, Gayle, Avinus, Zha'ar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcarusBen Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 What's wrong with having a sort of simple tutorial for character creation and a utility for those who want to be able to refine their character profile writing? A quick little executable that walks the user through writing a profile. Quote LEGO Republic:The ValkyrieThe "Christmas Brick" My BZPRPG Profiles Now a proud member of The Kanohi Force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krayzikk Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 A podcast episode discussing character isn't a bad idea, though an actual walkthrough is... Excessive, I think. We made a New Players Starter topic for a reason, after all, and it compiles all necessary aspects of the lore and answers roughly ninety percent of all possible canon divergences relevant. The only ones not covered are ones so specific that no one even thinks about them until they're an issue. An actual program, though? With dropdown menus? And customization? ... ... Let me know when I draw a salary from this position and I'll think about a coding project that long. 5 Quote On this eve, the thirtieth anniversary of that first colony, many are left to wonder; is the world fast approaching a breaking point? Breaking Point: An OTC Mecha RPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nato G Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Yeah... Krayz is right. Do you know how long it would take to put a program like that together? Why bother when all the information needed is right here in the topics? All it takes is a little effort to find and read it all. If players want to be part of the game, they shouldn't expect everything to be handed to them on a silver platter. 1 Quote Embers - A Bionicle Saga - Chapters/Review Class Is Out - A Farewell To Corpus Rahkshi - Chapters/Review BZPRPG Characters - Minnorak, Kain, T'harrak, Savis, Vazaria, Lash BZPRPG Mercenary Group - The Outsiders - Description - History - Base Ghosts Of Bara Magna - Ash Tribe - Precipere - Kehla, Somok, Skrall, Gayle, Avinus, Zha'ar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcarusBen Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Why can't I ever suggest something that the staff likes... It can't be that complicated. Dropdown menus, blank fields, export to .txt. I'm no programmer, but if people can make entire games in 48 hours, a character creator can't be that hard. Quote LEGO Republic:The ValkyrieThe "Christmas Brick" My BZPRPG Profiles Now a proud member of The Kanohi Force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The UltimoScorp Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 It's not a terrible idea. Just... Not one that's needed. Plus.... I think there are existing programs that you could use, of it strikes your fancy. 1 Quote BZPRPG Profiles The Unofficial Guide to TBRPG Combat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endless Sea (Alaki Nuva) Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Who the have you been talking to that can make a game in two days? Quote It is not for us to decide the fate of angels. Dominus Temporis, if you're out there, hit me up through one of my contacts. I've been hoping to get back in touch for a long time now. (Don't worry, I'm not gonna beg you to bring back MLWTB or something. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcarusBen Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Ludum Dare competitions. You have 48 hours to make a game, preferably in Java, and submit it. Some pretty good games have come out of it. As for Scorp's comment, what programs would you think would work? Quote LEGO Republic:The ValkyrieThe "Christmas Brick" My BZPRPG Profiles Now a proud member of The Kanohi Force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nato G Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 (edited) I'm not a coding expert to any degree, but a program like the one you propose would take weeks, maybe months to design. Edited January 5, 2015 by Roman Torchwick Quote Embers - A Bionicle Saga - Chapters/Review Class Is Out - A Farewell To Corpus Rahkshi - Chapters/Review BZPRPG Characters - Minnorak, Kain, T'harrak, Savis, Vazaria, Lash BZPRPG Mercenary Group - The Outsiders - Description - History - Base Ghosts Of Bara Magna - Ash Tribe - Precipere - Kehla, Somok, Skrall, Gayle, Avinus, Zha'ar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krayzikk Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 As someone who does some computer programming (and intends to go into a computer science related field)... It isn't quite that simple. Those forty eight hour games are cranked out, usually, by teams of very skilled individuals and they don't do anything else during those forty eight hours. Even then the result is rough and in need of refinement. And they're for challenges, not useful production. What you're suggesting isn't something easily created. For it to be customizable for other games there would need to be an interface for other people to use it without having to alter the most basic code, which means coding a way to read and alter the program from within it. Dropdown menus would have to be coded into the intended application, and so on. It's not that it's a bad idea, or that we don't like it. It's that it isn't really needed to begin with, and it realistically couldn't be done. Not because the coding itself is impossible but because only two active staff members have any knowledge of programming, all of us are in school, and all of us have lives on top of running the game. Trying to make a programmed guide to information already present, on top of running the game, just isn't really possible. That said the sentiment is noted and we might be able to make a podcast episode or video that deals with the character creation process. 3 Quote On this eve, the thirtieth anniversary of that first colony, many are left to wonder; is the world fast approaching a breaking point? Breaking Point: An OTC Mecha RPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcarusBen Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 So, not a walkthrough program. As for Roman;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludum_DareOne-person teams. All content and code must be created by a single person, within the 48 hour period. The Ludum Dare Jam allows for 72-hour dev cycles, dev teams and private-source code, but that's not part of the main contest. I'm not saying they're complex games, but they're rather nice. Quote LEGO Republic:The ValkyrieThe "Christmas Brick" My BZPRPG Profiles Now a proud member of The Kanohi Force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Speaking as someone who has made a program that takes input, forms it into a baseball profile, and exports the entire thing to a text file... That ain't the hard part. The hard part is all the extra features you want tacked on, like customizability, drop down menus, a GUI that looks like something halfway decent instead of fricking terminal... Basically anything that would even get it to the level of a basic text file. XD 1 Quote No such thing as destiny. BZPRPG Profiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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