Bionifight Infinite Discussion

[The Drink]

They only as competent as the person playing them

[otter]

Volitak doesn't grant perfect invisiblity and you could still be spotted, for one thing, so that would make it a bit harder. For another, if you're in the middle of an arena, people are going to realistically be fairly paranoid and looking around to try and make sure they don't get snuck up on, so there's reason that Astra would get spotted. For the last, if it's a full pitched battle, that's really not the place for an assassin to be roaming around anyways, because that's just asking to get spotted and made into a target by -somebody- in the big battle going on, in which case you end up at the mercy of that person.

[Silvan Haven]

Also since it's a battlefield people are going to be moving around a lot. It's kind of hard to sneak up behind a person while they are hopping all over the place.

[Constructelf]

Let's assume this article is accurate:

 

"When it comes to unleashing force quickly, Bir and her colleagues investigated boxers and found they could generate up to 5,000 newtons of force with a punch, more than that exerted down by a half-ton on Earth's surface."

 

And let's assume that Astra can stab with a dagger in sabre grip as fast as she can punch.

 

If the suggestion that Pakari = 10 times greater than normal force generated holds, and Stealth Attack is 30 times that, cumulating in 300 times the regular force, that's 1500000 Newtons behind one strike. And that's not even accounting for the extra mass of the knife being used to attack in such a fashion. (For comparison, a .30-06 Springfield bullet only goes up to maybe 12544 Newtons).

 

Add that to the absolutely tiny surface area of a knife point, and remember Pressure=Force/Area...

 

This is beyond overkill. In fact, it's in the next galaxy over from overkill.

[Wyrd Bid Ful Araed]

Volitak doesn't grant perfect invisiblity and you could still be spotted, for one thing, so that would make it a bit harder. For another, if you're in the middle of an arena, people are going to realistically be fairly paranoid and looking around to try and make sure they don't get snuck up on, so there's reason that Astra would get spotted.

 

Grants perfect enough invisibility that you need a specialised mask to see through it, or senses heightened past the norm. All Astra needs to do to avoid being spotted is just not dance a samba right in front of someone and she's clear. Just being paranoid isn't going to help you out because you can't get lucky and spot someone who's got some pretty effective active camo going 

 

​For the last, if it's a full pitched battle, that's really not the place for an assassin to be roaming around anyways, because that's just asking to get spotted and made into a target by -somebody- in the big battle going on, in which case you end up at the mercy of that person.

 

No, it just means everyone is going to be too distracted fighting the flashy and obvious powers being thrown around to notice someone unseen and inaudible until she's already stuck you with her ludicrous gibs stab attack

[otter]

Still casts a shadow, the Volitak does.
 
Meanwhile, based on skype discussion, we've (i've) come to a consensus that if Astra is to use her power with 30x pakari strength, it should be inherently suicidal due to causing an explosion based on the power released heating up the air enough that it blasts Astra apart as well as her target.
 
pls blade make it happen

Edited March 20, 2015 by Grochi ad Infinitum

[Nato G]

Peace Rahkshi can also quickly take the fight out of others instantaneously for a few seconds and that acts like a stun attack. 

 

It still wouldn't work against a foe who was moving too fast to stop themselves even if they wanted to - that's how The Wyrm killed Kuro in the last round. 

 

And being too calm can lead to mistakes.

 

Um.... what? 

 

being -angry- or -agitated- causes mistakes

 

being really calm is when most people do their best work

 

^ That's what I always thought. 

 

For the defensive/offensive field, he takes away a fighter's will to fight. Hence, they are forced to defend. Basically, she would basically stand and wait for him to turn it off. That was shown against the Wyrm.

 

That's not how I played it, actually. I assumed the peace field suppressed anger and hostile intent - thus preventing him from delivering any sort of counterattack. If it had sapped his will to fight, he wouldn't have been able to defend.

 

Edited March 20, 2015 by Roman Torchwick

[Drakua Toa of Rahi]

So where did HAGAH go? Last I remember Skull Carrier tried talking to him.

[Khromatose]

 

For the defensive/offensive field, he takes away a fighter's will to fight. Hence, they are forced to defend. Basically, she would basically stand and wait for him to turn it off. That was shown against the Wyrm.

 

That's not how I played it, actually. I assumed the peace field suppressed anger and hostile intent - thus preventing him from delivering any sort of counterattack. If it had sapped his will to fight, he wouldn't have been able to defend.

 

 

 

Hmm...that's true. Sorry. I used the wrong wording for that. I forgotten that taking away someone's will to fight was completely different from basically suppressing hostile intent. I meant to say the latter, but Kuro can do the former, but only as a brief stun attack.

[Magical Girl Mimi]

They only as competent as the person playing them

 

Welp, better start digging the graves of the people Astra fights. =P

 

Still casts a shadow, the Volitak does.

 

Meanwhile, based on skype discussion, we've (i've) come to a consensus that if Astra is to use her power with 30x pakari strength, it should be inherently suicidal due to causing an explosion based on the power released heating up the air enough that it blasts Astra apart as well as her target.

 

pls blade make it happen

 

roger roger. =P

 

Also, recall, she needs a dagger-like object; she has no weapons though. =P

[Nato G]

Also, recall, she needs a dagger-like object; she has no weapons though. =P

 

Making blades out of ice? 

[(Daedalus)]

Yeah, but... could an ice dagger withstand that kind of force?

Edited March 20, 2015 by (Daedalus)

[Silvan Haven]

No.

[Burnmad]

But we've already established that Astra herself can't withstand delivering that kind of force.

 

So it doesn't need to. =P

 

*Snaps fingers*

[Nato G]

Exactly. The attack is basically a one-hit kill for the attacker, the victim and the murder weapon. 

[Silvan Haven]

I'm not sure that counts as a murder anymore.

[Burnmad]

You're right. It's better classified as a bloody mess.

 

*Snaps fingers*

[Xaeraz]

 

Also, recall, she needs a dagger-like object; she has no weapons though. =P

 

Making blades out of ice? 

 

That was the intent behind the character, having a murder weapon that could be anything and then disappear. I didn't do the math that her perfect attack would cause a small explosion, though.

[Nato G]

The perfect assassin, in that she leaves nothing but a messy smear where the victim, killer and weapon were. 

[otter]

The best assassins are always single use.

 

There's no way to tie them back to whoever sent them!

[Constructelf]

 

 

 

 

Also, recall, she needs a dagger-like object; she has no weapons though. =P

Making blades out of ice?

That was the intent behind the character, having a murder weapon that could be anything and then disappear. I didn't do the math that her perfect attack would cause a small explosion, though.

Hm... A Toa of Iron could do that job better IMO. Slightly harder to dispose of the murder weapon, but it'll actually, you know, stab the opponent properly.

[otter]

But Astra is the perfect assassin. She utterly destroys her target, her self, and anything within a two meter radius of the point of contact.

 

She doesn't even need an actual dagger, just something dagger-shaped.

[Silvan Haven]

A Toa of Iron could just absorb whatever metal was used to make the weapon. However, Grochi is correct, it does not matter since pretty much everything is going to vanish in the rather nasty explosion shortly afterwards.

[Drakua Toa of Rahi]

Still casts a shadow, the Volitak does.

 

Meanwhile, based on skype discussion, we've (i've) come to a consensus that if Astra is to use her power with 30x pakari strength, it should be inherently suicidal due to causing an explosion based on the power released heating up the air enough that it blasts Astra apart as well as her target.

 

pls blade make it happen

Sounds like a cool (if not broken) TF2 joke weapon

[otter]

i would like to direct you to nato's "gm is spy!" comment back a page

[Drakua Toa of Rahi]

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(Sorry for lack of proper linkage, on iPad, will fix later)

 

Tahnok didn't step on to a platform, he was stepping (somewhat) off the platform he was on.

 

Staff edit: Took the liberty of merging these two posts, but in the future, please don't double post - just edit your older post. Thanks! -GSR

Edited March 21, 2015 by GSR

[Nato G]

 

Last time I checked, when you step off of something, you then have to step on to something else. 

Edited March 21, 2015 by Roman Torchwick

[In Between the Shadows]

I think Drakua means like when you have one foot on the group and then put the other one the platform to make sure it's secure. 

[Chro]

I think we can conclude that Astra needs to have her backstab power level decreased.

Not because she's too powerful, necessarily, but because she dies instantly if using the mechanic that the character is based around, even once. And that's silly.

[Nato G]

And that's silly.

 

Hm... a boulder made of yarn.... a character whose sole purpose for existing is to die gruesome environmental deaths every round.... a Po-Matoran shopkeeper with a backpack full of lava... I think we have plenty of silliness already.

 

A suicidal assassin wouldn't stand out all that much, to be honest. 

[Drakua Toa of Rahi]

I think Drakua means like when you have one foot on the group and then put the other one the platform to make sure it's secure.

 

No, I meant literally step into thin air while trying to stay on the platform he is currently on

[Nato G]

Why would someone step out into thin air? No offence, but this whole thing just seems like a really confusing, convoluted attempt at weaseling your way out of what Blade's GM post said was about to happen. 

[Drakua Toa of Rahi]

It's really not. What I'm trying to say is he's "dipping his toes in" if it's appropriete. Like a swimmer who is cautious of the water temp, Tahnok's trying to see if it is real. Maybe I should put more time into my posts.

[Nato G]

If all he's doing is trying to see if it's real, then why did you start this argument in the first place?

 

Blade's post said that the platform he was about to step on was an illusion. It's pretty clearly stating that the platform wasn't real, so I'm somewhat confused as to what the problem was with the GM post in the first place. 

Edited March 21, 2015 by Roman Torchwick

[otter]

I think we can conclude that Astra needs to have her backstab power level decreased.

Not because she's too powerful, necessarily, but because she dies instantly if using the mechanic that the character is based around, even once. And that's silly.

 

It's silly? Silly is fine, given the nature of this game. And if you'd rather back away from silly, I just have one question for you:

 

 

Why so serious?

[Chro]

 

And that's silly.

 

 

Hm... a boulder made of yarn.... a character whose sole purpose for existing is to die gruesome environmental deaths every round.... a Po-Matoran shopkeeper with a backpack full of lava... I think we have plenty of silliness already.

 

A suicidal assassin wouldn't stand out all that much, to be honest.

Never said those weren't silly

When I say "silly" in reference to Astra, I actually mean "incredibly stupid"

[Magical Girl Mimi]

Gonna have to agree; besides, who said that I'd use it to max power all the time? xP

 

If it was used at all, it'd be used in the arena, for obvious reasons, and even then, I think she'd have more use over her Ice and stealth powers on a normal day than she would her ultra backstab. =P

 

/EDIT: WWHOOSH CONTEXT GONE BY A NINJA POST.

 

Agreeing with Grochi. =P

Edited March 21, 2015 by An/A Blade

[otter]

Alternatively, if you just really wanted to go out with a bang, sneak attack full-strength on some random character in the cafeteria, or on the Host or something

[Ghidora131]

Arctic, wear r u?

[Drakua Toa of Rahi]

If all he's doing is trying to see if it's real, then why did you start this argument in the first place?

 

Blade's post said that the platform he was about to step on was an illusion. It's pretty clearly stating that the platform wasn't real, so I'm somewhat confused as to what the problem was with the GM post in the first place.

 

It is only an argument if it goes beyond simple explanations and observations (and into full blown rage-mode).

In terms of the problem with the GM post, I assumed Tahnok was already on a platform and wanted him to see if there really was a 30-odd foot drop below him. I even went so far as to tweak the original post to say he was well and truly staying on his own platform and not stepping all the way off.

Edited March 21, 2015 by Drakua Toa of Rahi