Did You Every Think The 2.0 System Was Brought In Too Early?

[avak3]

I got to thinking could lego have gotten a nother year out of the 1.0 stuff before the big change?

[Squishyfrog]

No, I think it was good to have a breath of fresh air as soon as possible.

[GeluNumber1]

It came in at the right time IMO. And it would've been boring to still have the old system.

[Aanchir]

No, I don't think so. The 1.0 sets were pretty, much prettier than many sets from the past couple years of BIONICLE, but they sacrificed much of the versatility of the parts in the process. 2.0 parts keep that smooth, refined aesthetic while being more versatile in a lot of ways than the BIONICLE parts that preceded them.Realistically, I think if Hero Factory had started with the 2.0 building system, it might have helped some people ease into it, since there wouldn't be so many people (BIONICLE fans and BIONICLE haters alike) claiming it was "just BIONICLE with a different name". Plus, there wouldn't be the problem with broken joints. Not sure how big a deal that was for 1.0 sets because I've never worked up the courage to buy a 1.0 set myself, since I'm worried the joints would be harder to take apart and put together without anything breaking.

[Chols]

1.0 was pretty much just a bridge from Bionicle to Hero Factory. They couldn't have kept the old designs much longer, and I'm glad they overhauled the system in 2011. It's the best thing to happen to LEGO's action figure designs in a very long time.However, I do feel that 3.0 had vastly improved on the new system. It did a great job at displaying that the new parts were capable of.

Edited December 5, 2011 by When The Wolven Broke Free

[dotcom]

Not at all. Another year of 1.0 would have been stale. The new style revolutionized constraction and did it very well. 1.0 was probably still necessary as a bridge between the two lines, but it wouldn't have worked very well past its one line.

[Akuna Toa of Sonics]

Nah, the time was perfect. We'd been getting the same Avtoran style system for 3 years running, and that change was necessary.

[Sumiki]

I don't know how they would have transitioned from 1.0 to 2.0 style - barring that, I think it was perfect.

[Larnuu]

I personally say that it came at the right time but it could have probably gone another year with out the new system (you know, just make a new a=wave of villains and the old heros)

[Dark_Stranger]

I, personally, am quite glad the switch was made when it was. I should note, however, that I am definitely not a fan of the 1.0 Heroes, so I'm pretty biased in this regard--the new system is (in my opinion) vastly superior in terms of both poseability and asthetics, at least where Heroes are concerned. Its less clear-cut with the villains, since some of the 1.0 villains were actually pretty cool."That is not dead which can eternal lie, / And with strange aeons even death may die."

[Dorek]

That depends on how well it does beyond 4.0 =P. I think it was introduced fairly well on time, but I hope that they can learn to evolve it, as well. BIONICLE had this great progression over time, and Hero Factory seems to be doing pretty well too. I was a bit worried in 3.0, because that didn't do much with the new style (as far as the Heroes were concerned; villains are doing just fine) but 4.0 has served to allay that fear. I just hope they manage to keep being inventive without painting themselves into a corner, either by repeating the past designs or by overly specializing parts, as BIONICLE occasionally had the tendency to do.

[ankyfdarkness]

I was quite happy when 2.0 rolled in. I mean, 1.0 was basically Bionicle's building style with a different name. 2.0 really helped HF come into it's own and brought a new sense of (I guess discovery?) with it. Finding new things to do with the ball joint system was very entertaining.

Edited December 5, 2011 by ankyfdarkness

[Sappholopod]

No. Of course not. The 2.0 system is the best building system since interlocking bricks.

[Ehlekdude]

Well, I think Hero Factory should have started out with the 2.0 system, that way it would be different from Bionicle altogether, whereas 1.0 was very similar to Bionicle. I still think the villains were a billion times better in 1.0 than the current ones, but Heroes have definately improved and are doing so even further with the introduction of 4.0, which sort of seems to be a mix of 1.0 and 2.0.

[Daiker]

No, I think it was good to have a breath of fresh air as soon as possible.

Yeah, if another wave of "its BIONICLE with a few new pieces" came out, I doubt much people would've enjoyed it.Besides they are called 2.0

[Bambi]

I think it came at a good time. Hopefully they don't doom all the HF sets with that build, like Lego did with the Inika build.

[Aanchir]

I think it came at a good time. Hopefully they don't doom all the HF sets with that build, like Lego did with the Inika build.

Personally, I liked the Inika build because it was perhaps the most versatile BIONICLE torso piece TLG had released to date. As such, I didn't mind its continued use. I feel the same way about the 2.0 building system. In my opinion, there is no time in the foreseeable future when it will become overused, and could hypothetically be used until a newer system comes to take its place.Now, this doesn't mean that new parts that expand on the 2.0 building system would not be welcome. For instance, if a new torso design were introduced that allowed for waist articulation, I for one would not oppose. New shell pieces are of course excellent for making sets more unique in overall appearance (and can be used for pretty much any part of a figure's body, allowing for a wider range of configurations-- something many BIONICLE parts lacked). New bone pieces that expand on the system have been introduced already, such as Waspix's piece that connects the middle set of arms. This is part of what makes me confident in the 2.0 building system's longevity-- so far, new parts have done nothing but expand possibilities, without making the previously-released 2.0 parts obsolete in any way.

[Makaru]

If anything, it came too late.

[Billbill36]

I find it came at the right time, it allowed fans of Bionicle an easier access to the series, with the 2.0s acting on the opportunity to try something new.

Edited December 9, 2011 by Billbill36

[Phauxx Lightning]

Nah, I think it came at the perfect timing. We get used to Hero Factory as the theme for a year, and then in comes 2.0, a nice new build to separate the two.If anything, the 2.0 needs a replacement. C'mon LEGO, wow us again!

[Peach 00]

Probably. It would be a better way to prolong 3.0 sets, so the fans still would have time to kind of hype the newer and second batch of HF sets. I think they rushed it, though.

[Studs Not On Top]

I was thinking the same thing. I loved the 1.0 Hero designs and I really wished they continued it for one more series. If only they could've given the figures more joints without changing their armor styles.

[Baron Von Nebula]

I think Lego did the right thing here. The old system connected Hero Factory to Bionicle ("From the Makers of Bionicle"), and then the new system made Hero Factory the successor to Bionicle, rather than a spinoff.

[Kojol]

Definitely no. I personally consider 2010 to be the absolute nadir of BIONICLE-type set quality (Stars and 1.0), where everything was barely poseable and relied on lots of bulky, specialized pieces. Honestly, it was like 2001 if 2001 lacked the characters (Yes, I know that two of the Stars were characters back in 2001), setting, the functions and consequent playability, and all of the other things which made BIONICLE wonderful at first.The 2.0 build is the best single thing to happen to Lego's action figures ever. It's kind of like the connecting blocks that LEGO system has, but for ball joints!I have no desire for it to go away. If they're creative with it, it could stay for a decade and I'd be happy.

[Gatanui]

No, I did not. In fact, I wondered why it was not introduced from the very beginning, before I realized LEGO did not want to replace BIONICLE and the building system all at the same time, since this would have been to drastic. If you ask me, TLC did very well using half a year to accomodate BIONICLE fans to HF, releasing new pieces while maintaining the old build. The drastic change from the highly detailed, specialised BIONICLE pieces to the less complex, yet more versatile HF pieces might have been too shocking for some.~Gata.

Edited December 23, 2011 by Gatanui

[Protodite Karzahni]

Personally, I believe that the 2.0 build came in too late. Of course, not to a damaging point, but still rather late. The 1.0 sets should have had the 2.0 build in the first place, so Hero Factory could have more proudly declared its separation from Bionicle. Instead we get two very contrasting years with a rather sudden transition between the two.

[Dralcax]

Earlier, and the line couldn't have picked up on old Bionicle fans. Later, people would hate on HF and compare it to Bionicle. Remember BZP in the pre-2.0 HF era? Everyone disliked it.

[Zarohum]

It should've come in at 1.0. A new system for a new theme.

[Simulacrum]

Realistically, I think if Hero Factory had started with the 2.0 building system, it might have helped some people ease into it, since there wouldn't be so many people (BIONICLE fans and BIONICLE haters alike) claiming it was "just BIONICLE with a different name". Plus, there wouldn't be the problem with broken joints. Not sure how big a deal that was for 1.0 sets because I've never worked up the courage to buy a 1.0 set myself, since I'm worried the joints would be harder to take apart and put together without anything breaking.

This. Just this. My exact thoughts. It wouldn't have made as many haters that way, in my opinion.

[Ballom Nom Nom]

Like many of the other posters here, I think the transition was well-timed.~B~

[Mr. Fluffy]

It could've been earlier, but it was still well timed. Any later and bionicle fans would have gotten furious since they wouldn't of seen the purpose of Hero Factory's existence over Bionicle's.

[Biohistorian]

the 1.0's was just a "hey, let's see how this works out!'the 2.0's were"ok, let us show them what the real thing is about"do ont know what the thing is though!*shrug*oh well......

[Trijhak]

I pretty much agree with what most others said, that the transition was well timed. However, it could have been earlier and could've happened in the first wave of HF. However, the BIONICLE-style first wave of HF helped the transition from BIONICLE to HF. Using the BIONICLE system had its advantages and disadvantages. Using the 2.0 system earlier would've had its advantages and disadvantages. I think using the BIONICLE system in the first wave helped ease the transition for former BIONICLE fans, and that having the 2.0 system in the first wave may have put off some BIONICLE fans.

[JAY318]

I feel that the change top the new system should have been more immediate to separate Bionicle and Hero Factory as two different themes. 1.0 put me off in that the heroes weren't very posable. Besides, the fact that Bionicle was being replaced is enough of a put off to the average Bionicle fan. I felt it was a little insulting to replace it with something so initially lackluster.

[ALVIS]

The only good part of the 2010 HF sets was the helmets, which are being brought back for 2012 anyway. The new system makes HF its own line and distances it from BIONICLE while still being compatible, which is good all around.

[Eragon3443]

I feel that the change top the new system should have been more immediate to separate Bionicle and Hero Factory as two different themes. 1.0 put me off in that the heroes weren't very posable.Besides, the fact that Bionicle was being replaced is enough of a put off to the average Bionicle fan. I felt it was a little insulting to replace it with something so initially lackluster.

I'm in perfect agreement =P

[Hexann]

I think it was not to early. :rau: :rau: :rau: :pakarinu: :pakarinu: :kakama: :kakama:

[Logan Tec]

it came out right on time and was better then 1.0 GO AIR BICONCEL

[Takua Nui of GoAnimate]

I think its strange that they didn't use it for the beginning of the series.