Popular Post SPIRIT Posted June 16, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted June 16, 2016 Ah yes, one of the unexplained mysteries of BIONICLE. In Web of Shadows, why was Keetongu, the last of his kind, hiding in Metru Nui of all places? Obviously the real reason is because it was convenient to the plot, but I've just come up with a storyline explanation that I think makes a lot of sense. The facts:Keetongu comes from an island in the southern part of the Mata Nui robot, very far away from Metru Nui.Metru Nui remained relatively safe from the Visorak for thousands of years.Many Rahi fled to Metru Nui trying to escape the Visorak.Up until this point, I feel like the prevailing wisdom was that Keetongu was just one of the many Rahi who fled to Metru Nui to escape the Visorak. But this doesn't explain ANYTHING to do with the quest in Web of Shadows! Why were there riddles carved into the wall of the Great Temple? Why did they need to be translated? Why did a river flowing from the Great Temple flow all across the city and wind up in Ko-Metru! "Follow the falling tears until they reach the sky." WHAT KIND OF NONSENSE IS THAT?! Unless... Unless Keetongu wasn't a Rahi refugee... For thousands of years, the Visorak had been subjugating island after island. They were an important branch of the Brotherhood of Makuta's military might. An army of magical spiders whose numbers were beyond count. Imagine if that power fell into the wrong hands. The Visorak species was created by Mutran and Chirox, two notoriously deranged scientists. I wonder if Teridax ever doubted their loyalty. Teridax himself had come to power through treachery. What was to stop one of his fellow Makuta from overthrowing him too? He would have seen how nothing could stand up to the Visorak. These weren't simple Rahi that only needed to have their infected masks knocked off to be pacified. If you wanted to defeat the Visorak, you would have to kill every single one. Perhaps he recommended Sidorak, an obvious idiot, and Roodaka, a dangerous sociopath, to run the horde in an effort to reduce its efficiency. He would've seen that even with incompetent leadership, the Visorak Horde was an unstoppable force. If they turned on him, things would not end well. But he was Makuta Teridax. He needed a backup plan. So Teridax travelled to Keetongu's island, took one of the healer Rahi there, and hid him away on Metru Nui in case he needed to combat the horde. He planted secret instructions on how to find Keetongu, should he be absent or out of commission, and quite literally put Keetongu on ice until he might need him some day. tl;dr: Teridax brought Keetongu to Metru Nui as a safeguard against the Visorak should they turn on him. 20 Quote ~ The Jazziest JtO Spoof ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Click Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 This actually seems pretty plausible. Knowing that Teridax enjoyed backup plans nearly as much as the GBs, it makes sense and explains some odd bits of the story. 5 Quote ~ Corpus Rahkshi: Fang | Hoto | Tube | Tear | Canvas | Garrotte | Reda BZPRPG: Azusai | Mitsuri The Scarabax Library | Flickr | Deviantart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infrared Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 Good stuff. The Rahaga were originally Teridax's guards, so that could explain why they knew about Keetongu in the first place. 14 Quote Helryx BS01 / Flickr Makuta, Master of Nothing (The Legend Continues) / 3D Printed Nuva Cube / Okoto font! Zemahri, Toa of Sand / Dark Hunter Rampage (BBC 73) / Arkhevai / Keetongu, Venom Healer (BBC 69) / Voodude (BftGM) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSciFiGuy Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 I'll but it. Teridax loves backup plans and it is not too crazy that he would safeguard his territory. 2 Quote Bionicle: ANP aims to create narrated versions of all the Bionicle books, with voice actors for each character, and music taken from various media to enhance the story. Check here if you're interested in voicing a character, and here for the chapters that've already been released!Formerly: Tahu Nuva 3.0Looking for a Bionicle Beanie. Black one with the symbol on it. Contact me if you are willing to sell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenPancake_ Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) Mind. BLOWN. This is one of the best theories I've read in a while. It makes a lot of sense, and Web of Shadows feels less convoluted yet far more interesting, and it fits better into the overarching plot because of it. Edited June 17, 2016 by FrozenPancake_ 2 Quote A big thank you to Toucan Sam for the Okotian name. [topic=][/topic] [ON HIATUS] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xboxtravis Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 That was a very good fan theory; and explains a lot of story points. Ironic then that Makuta's backup plan would end up aiding the Toa; but that is kind of typical of his style... 3 Quote All aboard the hype train! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zidonaro Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 But would Keetongu actually work for Teridax? Keetongu's large eye is actually not his true eye; he has a real pair of eyes hidden behind it. He can use the fake eye to see the spiritual light and darkness of a creature, and therefore judge whether or not they are worthy of his allegiance and power. If he meets a being of darkness, he will usually attack them on sight, for his goodly nature is provoked to rage by such a being. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zox Tomana Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 (edited) But would Keetongu actually work for Teridax? Keetongu's large eye is actually not his true eye; he has a real pair of eyes hidden behind it. He can use the fake eye to see the spiritual light and darkness of a creature, and therefore judge whether or not they are worthy of his allegiance and power. If he meets a being of darkness, he will usually attack them on sight, for his goodly nature is provoked to rage by such a being. Very good point, but could Keetongu hope to fight Teridax? Beyond Makuta simply being OP to begin with, they have Rahi Control powers.... If Teridax wanted Keetongu to go somewhere, there wouldn't be much Keetongu could do about it. Besides, Keetongu might agree to such a plan considering the idea is to act as a countermeasure against evil, though the suggestion is coming from a being of darkness =/ Edited June 18, 2016 by Zox Tomana 3 Quote ~~-BS01 Histories-~~ by Zox Tomana, B.A. - Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zidonaro Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 I don't know. I think the Rahi Control ability applies only to unninteligent rahi, and Keetongu looks pretty inteligent, like he can speak and all that stuff. Besides, Vakama kinda defeated Teridax alone. I'm pretty sure Keetongu would be quite the challenge, even for Teridax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPIRIT Posted June 18, 2016 Author Share Posted June 18, 2016 I don't know. I think the Rahi Control ability applies only to unninteligent rahi, and Keetongu looks pretty inteligent, like he can speak and all that stuff. Besides, Vakama kinda defeated Teridax alone. I'm pretty sure Keetongu would be quite the challenge, even for Teridax.Teridax already fought Keetongu in Time Trap and won handily. The only way Vakama was able to beat Teridax was through trickery and targeting his ego, tactics likely beyond Keetongu's ability. And in any case, my theory was more that Teridax would keep Keetongu around as an antidote for Visorak victims, rather than using him as a front-line soldier. I don't think Teridax would want to rule a city full of crazed Matoran Hordika. Quote ~ The Jazziest JtO Spoof ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regitnui Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Keetongu's still a Rahi. Teridax could probably order the local Makuta to box one up and send it to him. Or Keetongue was officially an Archives specimen. 1 Quote Elemental Rahi in Gen2, anyone? A write-up for an initial video for a G2 plot I really wish everyone would stop trying to play join the dots with Gen 1 and Gen 2 though,it seems there's a couple new threads everyday and often they're duplicates of already existing conversations! Or simply parallel them with a slightly new 'twist'! Gen 2 is NEW, it is NOT Gen 1 and it is NOT a continuation. Outside of the characters we already have I personally don't want to see ANY old characters return. I think it will cheapen the whole experience to those of us familiar with the original line... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zidonaro Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Teridax already fought Keetongu in Time Trap and won handily. The only way Vakama was able to beat Teridax was through trickery and targeting his ego, tactics likely beyond Keetongu's ability.... Oh. That's awkward... Sorry, I never read the novels, So I didn't know Keetong fought Teridax And in any case, my theory was more that Teridax would keep Keetongu around as an antidote for Visorak victims, rather than using him as a front-line soldier. I don't think Teridax would want to rule a city full of crazed Matoran Hordika. That's definetly true. Better have him around if Visorak get out of control and started a mutating spree on everything. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loading... Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Headcanon accepted 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BioFan95 Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Maybe he was there because it was the last place anyone would expect to find a semi-mystical Rahi like himself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xboxtravis Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Maybe he was there because it was the last place anyone would expect to find a semi-mystical Rahi like himself?With that logic a real life Keetongu probably lives under a bridge in New York City's Central Park. 2 Quote All aboard the hype train! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiriamu Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 An interesting idea, and one that definitely makes sense. I would imagine that Keetongu would probably be unaware of it given his obvious contempt for beings of darkness; since Time Trap reveals that Makuta telepathically planted the names of the future Toa Metru in Lhikan's mind, maybe he did something similar to get Keetongu to go to Metru Nui? Of course, it could be that Makuta was so confident in his own abilities that he didn't truly feel threatened by anything, and simply set up events like this for kicks and giggles. 1 Quote Voicing your opinions with tact is the best way to keep a discussion from becoming an argument.So far as I'm aware, it's pronounced like this: We're ee ah moo. Check out my Creations:EpicsG1 Battle for Spherus Magna - G2 A Lingering ShadowShort StoriesG1 Fallen Guardian - G2 Shadows of Past and Future (The Legend Continues Entry) Head of Stone, Heart of JungleMOCsMask Hoarder, Desert Scourge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSkeletonMan939 Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 My mind is blown. Very clever thinking! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toa Imrukii Posted July 8, 2016 Share Posted July 8, 2016 Perhaps Keetongu just moved himself or was moved by some other force or group (perhaps the Order of Mata Nui or by the Hagah, or both maybe in light of said events) to Metru Nui in light of the Rise of Teridax and his Shadow. Possibly knowing of the Rahaga he waited until the time came where he would be united with those looking to overthrow that dark grip still relevant in the city. Though Makuta Teridax may have been gone his dark shadow still loomed, Roodaka and Sidorak. And, on another topic real quick. Back in 2001 Makuta was referenced to be shadow, that his darkness permeated Mata Nui in it's wildlife. I fell Roodaka, Sidorak, and the Visorak much like the Rahi of 2001 are a reference to his dark shadows, therefore emphasiving an reinstating that idea that Keetongu came to Metru Nui in order to aid those who also wished to illuminate against said darkness. Quote Quote: "Love has no fear, and no vengeance." | :i: | Andekas ⴳ A RUDE AWAKENING - A BIONICLE G1 Continuation and Video Game Project (ARTIST AND CONCEPTUALIST) | I am an ENFP, that is my Personality. Check Out Makuta Teridax: Reaper of Darkness | Check out my Taknuva Stars MOC | ⴳ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V-N Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Makes sense, though I don't think Teridax necessarily has to be the one who hid Keetongu. You could say the Order of Mata Nui decided to hide him in the safest place they could find: Metru-Nui, the island farthest from the southern islands. While perhaps less interesting, I am disinclined to think that Teridax would put the instructions to find Keetongu in the Great Temple. Because the Makuta were jealous of the Matoran worshiping Mata-Nui (and such dedication being perfectly exemplified by the Great Temple), I can't imagine it's a place Teridax is fond of. Quote "What we see depends mainly on what we look for" -John Lubbock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPIRIT Posted July 9, 2016 Author Share Posted July 9, 2016 Makes sense, though I don't think Teridax necessarily has to be the one who hid Keetongu. You could say the Order of Mata Nui decided to hide him in the safest place they could find: Metru-Nui, the island farthest from the southern islands. While perhaps less interesting, I am disinclined to think that Teridax would put the instructions to find Keetongu in the Great Temple. Because the Makuta were jealous of the Matoran worshiping Mata-Nui (and such dedication being perfectly exemplified by the Great Temple), I can't imagine it's a place Teridax is fond of.Well it's exactly what he did to plant the seeds of doubt in the minds of the Toa Metru. Teridax influenced some Matoran to carve prophecies in the Great Temple that said that Nuhrii and co. would be Toa. Not much of a stretch that he would do the same for Keetongu. Quote ~ The Jazziest JtO Spoof ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V-N Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Teridax wanted the false Nuhrii prophecies to be found and believed, so it makes sense to put them in the Great Temple. I think he would also have taken pleasure in defiling the Great Temple with false prophecies. I guess it depends on what exactly Teridax thought he might end up needing Keetongu for. If he wanted it to be hard for someone to find Keetongu, then putting the directions in the Great Temple would be a poor choice, since that's the first place the Rahaga and Hordika thought to look. But he may very well have deliberately made it easy to find Keetongu, in case someone else needed to find him in an emergency, and therefore Teridax thought it was worth using the Great Temple to hide his instructions. 1 Quote "What we see depends mainly on what we look for" -John Lubbock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hip Historian Iaredios Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 By all means, I'll treat this as canon. Once again, great job SPIRIT!. 1 Quote A RUDE AWAKENING - A Spherus Magna redo | Tzais-Kuluu | Pushing Back The Tide | Last Words | Black Coronation | Blue Man Bound | Visions of Thasos ن We are all but grey specks in a dark complex before a single white light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zox Tomana Posted July 29, 2016 Share Posted July 29, 2016 Makes sense, though I don't think Teridax necessarily has to be the one who hid Keetongu. You could say the Order of Mata Nui decided to hide him in the safest place they could find: Metru-Nui, the island farthest from the southern islands. While perhaps less interesting, I am disinclined to think that Teridax would put the instructions to find Keetongu in the Great Temple. Because the Makuta were jealous of the Matoran worshiping Mata-Nui (and such dedication being perfectly exemplified by the Great Temple), I can't imagine it's a place Teridax is fond of.Well it's exactly what he did to plant the seeds of doubt in the minds of the Toa Metru. Teridax influenced some Matoran to carve prophecies in the Great Temple that said that Nuhrii and co. would be Toa. Not much of a stretch that he would do the same for Keetongu. Teridax wanted the false Nuhrii prophecies to be found and believed, so it makes sense to put them in the Great Temple. I think he would also have taken pleasure in defiling the Great Temple with false prophecies. I guess it depends on what exactly Teridax thought he might end up needing Keetongu for. If he wanted it to be hard for someone to find Keetongu, then putting the directions in the Great Temple would be a poor choice, since that's the first place the Rahaga and Hordika thought to look. But he may very well have deliberately made it easy to find Keetongu, in case someone else needed to find him in an emergency, and therefore Teridax thought it was worth using the Great Temple to hide his instructions.Uhhh, correct me if I'm wrong... but didn't Mata Nui create the false prophecies? Yeah... He realigned the stars to create the false prophecies, and then put the names of the truly destined Toa in Terry's mind. Terry looked at the stars, believed the false prophecy, and used the names in his head to influence Lhikan in an effort to keep those six Toa from being created. Quite a roundabout gambit, but Makuta didn't make the false prophecies. Quote ~~-BS01 Histories-~~ by Zox Tomana, B.A. - Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPIRIT Posted July 29, 2016 Author Share Posted July 29, 2016 Uhhh, correct me if I'm wrong... but didn't Mata Nui create the false prophecies? Yeah... He realigned the stars to create the false prophecies, and then put the names of the truly destined Toa in Terry's mind. Terry looked at the stars, believed the false prophecy, and used the names in his head to influence Lhikan in an effort to keep those six Toa from being created. Quite a roundabout gambit, but Makuta didn't make the false prophecies.Yeah, sorry, you're correct. Although with such a convoluted series of events, you can see how people might get confused by that. Suffice to say, Makuta Teridax was not above using telepathy to implant ideas in others, and while he did not do so to the Matoran who interpreted the stars that said Nuhrii and co. should be Toa, that is not to say that he could not have influenced them to also write a riddle about Keetongu (or just do it himself). Quote ~ The Jazziest JtO Spoof ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regitnui Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 I nominate this theory for a Key to Nongu award! 2 Quote Elemental Rahi in Gen2, anyone? A write-up for an initial video for a G2 plot I really wish everyone would stop trying to play join the dots with Gen 1 and Gen 2 though,it seems there's a couple new threads everyday and often they're duplicates of already existing conversations! Or simply parallel them with a slightly new 'twist'! Gen 2 is NEW, it is NOT Gen 1 and it is NOT a continuation. Outside of the characters we already have I personally don't want to see ANY old characters return. I think it will cheapen the whole experience to those of us familiar with the original line... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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