shadow pridak money gang Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 if your argument is that 'it's their game, they can do what they want' then yes that sounds like host abuse to me people voting as they please has never been this big an issue before burn made such a huge deal out of it, and it probably wouldn't have been if he hadn't made such a huge deal out of it -Tyler 1 Quote SAY IT ONE MORE TIME TELL ME WHAT IS ON YOUR MIND Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trijhak Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Is it really so ghastly that a host wants you to not ignore what effectively amounts to half the game? Half the scenes are ones where you are expected to vote. Sure, people voting as they please isn't a problem - they can vote for who they choose. They can also null, they're still giving their input. But not voting is not a null, and not a vote - it's ignoring the voting periods entirely. Quote On Bota Magna, everything is about to fall apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadow pridak money gang Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 given how badly the null vote has been cheapened in recent games, the only way to avoid killing someone half the time is to ignore. -Tyler Quote SAY IT ONE MORE TIME TELL ME WHAT IS ON YOUR MIND Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ehksidian Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Sure, people voting as they please isn't a problem - they can vote for who they choose. They can also null, they're still giving their input. But not voting is not a null, and not a vote - it's ignoring the voting periods entirely. Except when you're not allowed to null.Which is what it's like in Burnmad's game. 3 Quote Steam name: Ehksidian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaeraz Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 I still don't get why Null is different from Abstention. If you don't wanna vote, don't vote. Easy. Quote All are not the same But three shall be as one Freedom in the flame The end has just begun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltex Posted March 20, 2015 Author Share Posted March 20, 2015 I still don't get why Null is different from Abstention. If you don't wanna vote, don't vote. Easy. Except when you're not allowed to not vote.Which is what it's like in Burnmad's game. ehks can see the future Quote JOIN AETHERGARDE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ehksidian Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 I still don't get why Null is different from Abstention. If you don't wanna vote, don't vote. Easy. Except when you're not allowed to not vote.Which is what it's like in Burnmad's game. ehks can see the future THIS IS THE MONADO'S POWER...back on topic...I dislike not being able to null/abstain. While I almost do always vote, that's just becausei dunno i just do. 3 Quote Steam name: Ehksidian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed Blade Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Ehks, that is amazing. =P Also, on the topic of the whole not voting thing... What if power randomly goes out for two days right as voting starts? No way to communicate that to anyone for me, and it's not like it was something I could control; I wouldn't be pleased at all to return to death by not-voting. 3 Quote The Pokemon TopicPokemon: Rise of the Rockets - Rise of the Rockets Discussion Topic - Rise of the Rockets Side Stories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnmad Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 If it came to actually having to kick someone, I'd generally check if they'd been online since voting started, so. =P *Snaps fingers* 1 Quote Avatar by Brickeens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaeraz Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 And what about folks like me, who keep their profiles set to Anonymous login? You can't check last online dates for them. Quote All are not the same But three shall be as one Freedom in the flame The end has just begun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quisoves Potoo Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 I think that the problem with the "VOTE OR DIE" system is that the sort of folks whose behavior it is intended to combat, those who sign up for games perfunctorily and then get it into their heads that they can ignore them for one reason or another, either won't care or will find it another reason to not play.I think that the best medicine, in this case, is an established Mafia etiquette for players and hosts alike.If one signs up for a game, one expects certain things from the host, and in return, one is expected to participate in the game as much as one reasonably can. 2 Quote (Credit to Nik the Three for the banner) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dapper I Guess Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Problem is, fresh meat such as myself may not understand this established etiquette due to lack of experience. Each group of Mafia players has it's own unspoken code- "House Rules", if you will. I don't fully understand BZP Mafia's House Rules yet, I'll admit. I strongly dislike the "vote or die" system, though. Quote Back for a nostaliga trip, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taka Nuvia Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Maybe "everyone has to chime in during the voting period, even if only to null" would work a bit better; sometimes not voting (but participating otherwise!) for a round or two can be part of someone's strategy. I guess. While I'm not a fan of people signing up and simply not playing (esp. if they have a role) simply not-vote-off-ing anyone does seem a bit harsh to me. :/though thisIf it came to actually having to kick someone, I'd generally check if they'd been online since voting started, so. =P *Snaps fingers*is at least something. I assume you'd also attempt to contact them, maybe? But yeah, as Quisoves said, establishing a handful of 'general/common rules' or etiquette might be a good idea. Not too many, though, as that would be off-putting for some potential hosts and players alike. Quote My art collection topic - updated! (21/09/2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishers64 Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Also, I've noticed we've got a bit of complaints over Burnmad's game's policy of killing those who do not vote/act. Which to me isn't that at all understandable, because if I was in the host position I'd try and make you vote and act as soon as possible. I don't want you to sign up to do absolutely nothing, since that gives the impression of remaining inactive for the whole game. You don't sign up to games to do nothing, just as you don't sign up to a RPG only to never play one. Do people really have a problem with the host of a game trying to remind people to act and vote in the game they signed up to play? Killing the inactives is, in my view, a good thing for partially remedying the problem that I mentioned in the previous paragraph. I think a better way of keeping players active is to simply shorten the rounds. Keep each Day/Night to 24 hours; I don't think I had anyone who truly went fully inactive during either XVIII or XIX, both games in which I used the shorter time frame. Does this make it more stressful for the host? A little, yes. But I also expect that, if somebody wants to host, that they are also willing to set the time aside for it. There's nothing wrong with having a smaller game of 20 players if that is more manageable time-wise.MoUP does both, actually. Slightly different mechanics, but there. Also, I think how MoUP does it (you miss three rounds, you're gone) allows for emergencies like what Blade described. Allow for the V-or-D thing to exist, but give the players a certain number of passes. Portal's XXI used 48 hour rounds to no one's hurt, but I think the 24-hour round is much better at retaining player engagement and keeping games shorter. Quote Hero Factory RPG | Bionicle Mafia XXIX: Storyline & Theories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valendale Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Also of note is the fact that neither Null voting or not voting is generally possible in real life mafia. For the record of Arsene and any other new players, when people around here null vote, for a long time it meant "voting not to kill anyone." I actually got into a bit of trouble with in my first game as a host because I didn't count (and haven't since then) them as anything. Lately, null voting has also been used to mean "voting to kill a random player." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dapper I Guess Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Lately, null voting has also been used to mean "voting to kill a random player." Quote Back for a nostaliga trip, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ehksidian Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Lately, null voting has also been used to mean "voting to kill a random player." On the suspect list.Usually. Quote Steam name: Ehksidian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dapper I Guess Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 I could assume as much, but still. I've been a player of the game for more than a year, but that is the stupidest thing I've heard yet. Quote Back for a nostaliga trip, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underscore Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 never make assumptions like that when it comes to BZP mafia 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quisoves Potoo Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 To be fair, it was really a way of forcing folks to vote, so, whether or not one likes it, it makes more sense in context. Quote (Credit to Nik the Three for the banner) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dapper I Guess Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 never make assumptions like that when it comes to BZP mafia...Spooky. Quote Back for a nostaliga trip, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltex Posted March 21, 2015 Author Share Posted March 21, 2015 I believe I was the first to do the whole "null equals kill" thing, but that was in XIX when I was in the middle of hosting what was equivalent to three games in a row. Quote JOIN AETHERGARDE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dapper I Guess Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 "Nulls are kills" makes my skin crawl. Is it usually specified when this is the case? Quote Back for a nostaliga trip, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltex Posted March 21, 2015 Author Share Posted March 21, 2015 I specified it, yes. Again, I did so in order to save time; by forcing the village to execute at least one player a round, the game went by faster, helping me to avoid burning out. Quote JOIN AETHERGARDE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToaKapura1234 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 (edited) Hi Hi Edited March 21, 2015 by ToaKapura1234 2 Quote Want to solve an exciting murder mystery? Try Murder Mansion II, a new game in Games and Trivia! 8 Spots remaining! http://www.bzpower.com/board/topic/19274-murder-mansion/?do=findComment&comment=964351 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quisoves Potoo Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 WELKOMEN! Tu revenis! MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM! Quote (Credit to Nik the Three for the banner) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToaKapura1234 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 (edited) Welcome back you moom? What is a moom? So has anything major changed while I have been battling school? AP classes leave little time for mafia. I see everyone is still as insane as ever so that's good to know. So what kind of main and side games are going on right now? Edited March 21, 2015 by ToaKapura1234 Quote Want to solve an exciting murder mystery? Try Murder Mansion II, a new game in Games and Trivia! 8 Spots remaining! http://www.bzpower.com/board/topic/19274-murder-mansion/?do=findComment&comment=964351 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otter Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 "moom" or "moooooooom" or "MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM" are the cries of the potoo, the spirit bird of myself and quisoves here Quote profiles i guess i'm a south american giant otter now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToaKapura1234 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 I am not going to ask. So what's been happening since, oh when was I last here November, maybe? Either way, what's been going on since then? Let me guess: Lloyd returned and then left again. (then again I'm starting to get nearly as bad) Quote Want to solve an exciting murder mystery? Try Murder Mansion II, a new game in Games and Trivia! 8 Spots remaining! http://www.bzpower.com/board/topic/19274-murder-mansion/?do=findComment&comment=964351 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnmad Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Let me guess: Lloyd returned and then left again. Nah, Lloyd's still gone. He seems to be the only one capable of staying out of Mafia's inexorable grip. o_o *Snaps fingers* Quote Avatar by Brickeens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishers64 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 I am not going to ask. So what's been happening since, oh when was I last here November, maybe? Either way, what's been going on since then? Let me guess: Lloyd returned and then left again. (then again I'm starting to get nearly as bad)Voltex and Ehks both hosted a game, Underscore tried to host a game, Seaborgium is hosting Ninjago Mafia, Portal hosted a game (and I won it ), Pulse is trying to host a different game, and Burnmad went to the carnival and never came back. Meanwhile, Quisoves has gone mad from being Mafia too many times and has infested the subforum with birds, particularly ones that yell "MOOOM". Quote Hero Factory RPG | Bionicle Mafia XXIX: Storyline & Theories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chro Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 AP classes leave little time for mafia.simple solution: let your grades tankworks fine for me 4 Quote save not only their lives but their spirits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dapper I Guess Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 (edited) I am not going to ask. So what's been happening since, oh when was I last here November, maybe? Either way, what's been going on since then? Let me guess: Lloyd returned and then left again. (then again I'm starting to get nearly as bad)Voltex and Ehks both hosted a game, Underscore tried to host a game, Seaborgium is hosting Ninjago Mafia, Portal hosted a game (and I won it ), Pulse is trying to host a different game, and Burnmad went to the carnival and never came back. Meanwhile, Quisoves has gone mad from being Mafia too many times and has infested the subforum with birds, particularly ones that yell "MOOOM". ...And I (and maybe others, I don't know) have washed ashore, haha. Edited March 21, 2015 by Lance Constable Vimes Quote Back for a nostaliga trip, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToaKapura1234 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Is Quisoves the new Pupwa? or is the original still around? Quote Want to solve an exciting murder mystery? Try Murder Mansion II, a new game in Games and Trivia! 8 Spots remaining! http://www.bzpower.com/board/topic/19274-murder-mansion/?do=findComment&comment=964351 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed Blade Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 He Who Must Not Be Named? Yes, he's gone. Permanently. =P Quote The Pokemon TopicPokemon: Rise of the Rockets - Rise of the Rockets Discussion Topic - Rise of the Rockets Side Stories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valendale Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 (edited) And I wouldn't say Quisoves is any thing like him at all, except for the fact that they are both known to use pictures. Edited March 21, 2015 by Valendale 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToaKapura1234 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 I was referring to quantity of insanity not quality. So what kind of games are going on right now? Quote Want to solve an exciting murder mystery? Try Murder Mansion II, a new game in Games and Trivia! 8 Spots remaining! http://www.bzpower.com/board/topic/19274-murder-mansion/?do=findComment&comment=964351 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ehksidian Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Voltex and Ehks both hosted a gameand XX is the only game in which the village never once lynched a villager. Quote Steam name: Ehksidian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToaKapura1234 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 I must see this Quote Want to solve an exciting murder mystery? Try Murder Mansion II, a new game in Games and Trivia! 8 Spots remaining! http://www.bzpower.com/board/topic/19274-murder-mansion/?do=findComment&comment=964351 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ehksidian Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 I must see thishttp://www.bzpower.com/board/topic/16347-bionicle-mafia-xx-hail-the-mad-king/ 1 Quote Steam name: Ehksidian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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